February 25, 1966

LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The understanding of the Chair is that the document could not be filed because it is not a statutory document, and 23033-1131

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the only thing that could be done at this time is that the minister might table it by unanimous agreement. This is what the minister is doing. He is not making a statement under the terms of standing order 15(2a), and I suggest there should be no debate on this.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Well then, Mr. Speaker, to be perfectly clear, there can be no consent to the tabling of a document like this because this deprives us of our rights-

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

-and it is obviously-

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please.

Hon. G. J. Mcllraiih (Minister of Public

Works): Mr. Speaker, I wonder if there has been some misunderstanding. This is an order in council that the government is asking leave to table, an administrative act of government.

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Thomas Miller Bell

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bell (Saint John-Albert):

What about the press release?

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. The hon. member for Medicine Hat.

[DOT] (11:20 a.m.)

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Horace Andrew (Bud) Olson

Social Credit

Mr. H. A. Olson (Medicine Hat):

Mr. Speaker, I think the house is entitled to ask the Minister of Finance for some kind of explanation for following this course in making the information available to the house and the Canadian people. I do not think there is any precedent for this. 1 am sure Your Honour's decision and apprehension about whether there should be a comment when no statement or motion has been made is a very valid position to take, but it seems to me this is a question on which we should have some explanation.

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The situation is a bit difficult, in as much as the minister had asked for leave and unanimous consent was given him for tabling-

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

This is the understanding of the Chair and this is why, having heard some doubt expressed from the left of the Chair, I took it upon myself to ask again whether there is leave. Otherwise, if there is not agreement in the house in respect of the tabling of these documents, the minister would be in a position where he would have to make a motion and on the motion there would be a division.

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Mitchell William Sharp (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Sharp:

Mr. Speaker, may I say just one word in explanation. I wish to make it quite clear that what I was tabling today was not a

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statement I was making, but rather was a statement by the Canadian Wheat Board in Winnipeg.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

You are doing by the back door what you are afraid to do by the front door.

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Edward Nasserden

Progressive Conservative

Mr. E. Nasserden (Rosthern):

Mr. Speaker, yesterday the hon. member for Assiniboia asked the minister whether he would let the house know when the payments by the Canadian Wheat Board would be announced, and the minister promised he would announce those payments to the house today.

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The matter is simple. If the minister does not have the consent of the house to table these documents and does not wish to make a motion, the documents will not be tabled.

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Gordon Drummond Clancy

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Clancy:

Mr. Speaker, I would like to say-

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. A point of order was raised, a decision has been rendered by the Chair, and the matter is closed.

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FINANCE, TRADE AND ECONOMIC AFFAIRS MOTION FOR CONCURRENCE IN FIRST REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE

LIB

Herbert Eser (Herb) Gray

Liberal

Mr. H. E. Gray (Essex West) moved

that the first report of the standing committee on finance, trade and economic affairs, presented to the house on Tuesday, February 22, 1966, be now concurred in.

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LIB

Alexis Pierre Caron

Liberal

Mr. Alexis Caron (Hull):

Mr. Speaker, I must object to the approval of this report which asks that the committee be allowed to sit while the house is in session. If I were to ask its chairman why he wants this permission, he would tell me it was just in case it was needed. This is something to which we always objected. I recall that when we were in the opposition, the present Prime Minister (Mr. Pearson) objected to the move, as did the present Secretary of State for External Affairs (Mr. Martin), the present Minister of Transport (Mr. Pickersgill), the present Minister of Public Works (Mr. Mcllraith) and as I did myself. But we were always defeated.

I know also that several Conservative members who requested it then, admit today that they should not have done so.

I feel that the motion recommending that the committee be allowed to meet while the

house is sitting should not have been presented and I am convinced, Mr. Speaker, that it is not necessary. If the committee ever feels that it has to meet, it can always come back before the house and ask for leave to do so. We would examine the situation and find out the reason why the committee wants to meet. At present, nobody knows why. Some want to create a tradition which does not exist, and the proof that it does not exist is that we have the right to object when the motion is submitted.

That is why I object to the motion and ask the members of the house to go on record in this connection.

I think it is illogical that we should be obliged to miss the sittings of the house. We have work to do while the committee meets and if we grant the same privilege to all committees, then 22 committees will want to meet while the house is in session and there will be no members left to attend to the business of the house.

That is illogical and should not be allowed. I ask hon. members to reject this motion.

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February 25, 1966