January 18, 1966

HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES

OFFICIAL REPORT


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Speaker: Tke Honourable Lucien Lamoureux [DOT] (10:50 a.m.)


FIRST SESSION-TWENTY SEVENTH PARLIAMENT


The twenty sixth parliament having been dissolved by proclamation on Wednesday September 8, 1965, and writs having been issued and returned, a new parliament was summoned to meet for the dispatch of business on Tuesday, January 18, 1966 and did accordingly meet on that day. Tuesday, January 18, 1966 This being the day on which parliament is convoked by proclamation of His Excellency the Governor General for the dispatch of business, and the members of the house being assembled: Leon J. Raymond, Esquire, O.B.E., the Clerk of the House, read to the House a letter from the assistant secretary to the Governor General informing him that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, would proceed to the Senate chamber to open the first session of the twenty seventh parliament of Canada on Tuesday, the eighteenth day of January, at eleven o'clock. [DOT] (11:00 a.m.) A message was delivered by Major C. R. Lamoureux, Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, as follows: Members of the House of Commons: It is the desire of the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General that this honourable house attend him immediately in the chamber of the honourable the Senate. Accordingly, the House went up to the Senate Chamber, when the Speaker of the Senate said: Honourable Members of the Senate, and Members of the House of Commons: I have it in command to let you know that His Excellency the Governor General does not see fit to declare the causes of his summoning the present 23033-1 parliament of Canada until the Speaker of the House of Commons shall have been chosen according to law, but this afternoon, at the hour of three o'clock, His Excellency will declare the causes of calling this parliament. [DOT] (11:20 a.m.) And the House being returned to the Commons chamber:


ELECTION OF SPEAKER

MR. LUCIEN LAMOUREUX, MEMBER FOR THE ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF STORMONT

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister):

Mr. Raymond, I hope and indeed I believe that my opening words to this twenty seventh parliament will meet with the approval of all hon. members, because it is my privilege to nominate as Speaker of the House of Commons Lucien Lamoureux, member of parliament for Stormont.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

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my duty but my privilege, and indeed my pleasure, to nominate the member whom I have just mentioned, the hon. member tor Stormont (Mr. Lamoureux).

Those of us who were here in the twenty sixth parliament have known him well for the last three years as Deputy Speaker of this House and Chairman of Committees of the Whole. Mr. Lamoureux was born here in the nation's capital and was educated at the University of Ottawa and Osgoode Hall in Toronto. He is a lawyer whose home and practice were in Cornwall, Ontario. While both born and educated in Ontario, I am sure all hon. members realize and appreciate the fact that he is totally bilingual and indeed bicultural; not only bilingual in his speech but even, I might add, in his thinking.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Mr. Lamoureux was first elected to this house in the general election of 1962. He was re-elected in 1963, and in May, 1963 was appointed Deputy Speaker. He was re-elected again last November. I believe that as Deputy Speaker of the twenty sixth parliament he showed impartiality and objectivity, a sense of proportion, fairness and firmness which impressed all hon. members of the house.

These qualities, I am confident, will make him, if he is chosen, eminently suitable to be the guardian of the rights, privileges and traditions of this honourable house. If he is chosen we will expect of him leadership and guidance, and he will have the right to our co-operation and support. I believe that he has the qualities required for the very exacting and important job of presiding over our deliberations.

Therefore I take great pleasure in moving, seconded by the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Favreau):

That Lucien Lamoureux, member for the electoral district of Stormont, do take the Chair of this house as Speaker.

[DOT] (11:30 a.m.)

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Guy Favreau (President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Hon. Guy Favreau (President of the Privy Council):

Mr. Raymond, it is with pleasure, great pride and deep feelings of friendship that, as a member of this house, I second the motion just put forward by the right hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Pearson) to have the member for Stormont (Mr. Lamoureux) appointed Speaker and preside over our discussions.

It is always an exciting occasion when representatives of the people from each of the 265 constituencies of our great and beloved country meet, for all practical purposes, to form an active and eager House of Commons.

Of course, it is commonplace to refer to the heavy responsibilities of the Speaker. But it bears repeating over and over again at the beginning of a new parliament, for he is the one who will preside over our discussions and whose difficult and delicate task it will be to rule upon the points of order raised by the various parties. It will be his duty, and not an easy one either, I know, to maintain order in the house and to lay down the required rules.

As mentioned earlier by the Prime Minister, thanks to him we shall be spared in the future such rebuffs as have just been suffered by members of the house when they attempted unsuccessfully to make themselves heard by the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General but were not yet represented.

I shall say only a few words about the Speaker's qualifications. They are many, but I feel the two main ones are fairness and objectivity. Fairness must not be affected by any contingency, whether it be friendship, ambition or fear. Objectivity must proceed from a sound judgment enlightened by a thorough knowledge of the standing orders of the house.

Mr. Lamoureux possesses those qualifications to a very high degree and that is why I am proud to second once again the motion of the Prime Minister for his nomination as Speaker of this house.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Raymond, there have been occasions when the Prime Minister and I have not been in complete agreement. There have been other occasions when we have had varying degrees of assent. But this is one occasion when he will have achieved a majority, I might add an overwhelming one, in the nomination that he has placed before the house.

Mr. Lamoureux, of course, in his three years as Deputy Speaker has discharged his responsibilities with tact, with wisdom, with humour, and above all with a sense of impartiality to which I am very happy to pay my tribute. Indeed, the manner in which Mr. Lamoureux conducted himself leads me to look forward with hope, an assured hope, that the rights and privileges of parliament will be upheld, without which this institution

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cannot take the place that it should in the preservation of our country.

If parliament is accepted as being the essence of our democracy, the position of Speaker is indeed the cornerstone. I am most happy to join on this occasion in expressing not only the hope but a deep assurance that on the basis of the experience we have had in previous parliaments, the prerogatives and greatness of our past will have in him a protector, as well as a protector of the privileges and traditions of this institution. Above all, we shall have the assurance that the minorities shall have their rights.

I believe it is particularly important at this time that a man such as the hon. gentleman should be Speaker; for if there is an acceptance, as I hope there will be, of the principle that there shall be no appeals from the Speaker's rulings, the responsibility that will rest on his shoulders will be manifestly greater than that which rested on the shoulders of the many distinguished Speakers who have occupied that position.

It is in that spirit, as one who has a deep affection for everything for which parliament stands, that I believe, if this House accepts the motion that has been made we will be taking a forward step toward the maintenance of those things that are greater than life itself, the preservation of our freedom.

I never get over the novelty of this place. Today we have seen again the formalities of the past. There are those who would abolish these, but to me they are of the essence of the British tradition of political and parliamentary democracy.

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Herbert Wilfred Herridge

New Democratic Party

Mr. Herridge:

Hear, hear.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

To this has been added the contribution of those of the French race. This is the very foundation of parliament as we know it. It was on the basis of the leadership given by one of French origin, applying the principles of English democracy to the problems of his day and generation, that confederation was achieved. Let us preserve those traditions. Let us maintain what is great in our country. In doing that we will make doubly sure that the future of our country will be greater than its past.

It is in that spirit that I, on behalf of my colleagues in the opposition, join in the motion that has been made. We look forward to the term of service of Mr. Lamoureux with the expectation that, in the days ahead, all those principles and qualities to which the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Favreau) referred will be embodied in the new Speaker.

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Indeed, I am reminded of the words which were spoken at one time of a great British Speaker, Mr. Speaker Lowther, when it was said:

The office of Speaker does not demand rare qualities. It demands common qualities in a rare degree. [DOT] (11:40 a.m.)

I think Mr. Lamoureux possesses those qualities.

Mr. T, C. Douglas (Burnaby-Coquitlam) i

Mr. Raymond, in our parliamentary system the ability and impartiality of its presiding officer is an essential prerequisite to an effective and efficient parliament. The Speaker of the House of Commons must have a wide knowledge of the rules and a deep understanding of the traditions and procedures of this house. He must also have the impartiality which will give to every member, wherever he or she may sit, the assurance that they will enjoy the rights and privileges to which they are entitled, in order that they may speak for the people who have sent them here.

The members of the New Democratic party feel that those qualifications are possessed in full measure by Mr. Lucien Lamoureux, the member for Stormont, who has been nominated by the right hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Pearson) and the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Favreau).

During the last parliament Mr. Lamoureux acted as Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees of the Whole. Those of us who had the privilege of sitting in that parliament were impressed with his knowledge of the rules, his ability to interpret them fairly, and his capacity for making clear and explicit judgments and reaching fair decisions. The fact that he has complete mastery of both the French and English languages makes him eminently suited to preside over this house.

On behalf of the New Democratic party I should like to say that we support wholeheartedly the nomination of the member for Stormont. We pledge him our support in making this parliament as effective as any parliament that has ever sat in this chamber, and we wish him well as he assumes the heavy responsibilities of this office.

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David Réal Caouette

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Real Caoueiie (Villeneuve):

Mr. Raymond, on behalf of my colleagues and myself, I am happy to join with the Right Hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Pearson), the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker) and the leader of the New Democratic Party (Mr. Douglas) on the appointment of Mr. COMMONS DEBATES

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Lamoureux to chair the debates and proceedings of the House of Commons, in the years to come.

It is a heavy responsibility to take over the Speaker's chair. I deeply regret the departure of hon. Mr. Macnaughton who was undoubtedly one of the greatest Speakers of the house of Commons of Canada.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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David Réal Caouette

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Caoueiie:

As a matter of fact, our discussions were presided over with tact and diplomacy. At that time, Mr. Lamoureux, who was acting as Deputy Speaker of the House, acquired knowledge that enabled him to become an efficient Deputy Speaker during the two and a half years he was called upon to chair, for instance, the committee of the whole House of Commons, and each time he acted as Deputy Speaker.

We all knew Mr. Lamoureux's undeniable qualities, his sense of justice and fairness. The Speaker does not indulge in political partisanship, he is above political parties. Therefore, in the full sense of the word, we will support the new Speaker, Mr. Lamoureux. We will co-operate with him, as his job will not be an easy one in this new Parliament.

In fact, probably for the first time in the history of Canada, we have a Parliament made up of various elements: left-wingers, right-wingers and centralists. It will therefore be rather difficult to manage. In my opinion, Mr. Lamoureux has the tact needed to preside over all discussions taking place in such a situation.

Mr. Raymond, we are very pleased to support the proposal made by the Prime Minister (Mr. Pearson).

Mr. Lamoureux can be assured of our co-operation. We ask him to be in the future as fair as he has been in the past; if the past is the guarantee for the future, we can be confident of having a very good Speaker in the person of Mr. Lamoureux.

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