May 14, 1965

LIB

John Robert (Jack) Nicholson (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Hon. J. R. Nicholson (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration):

Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Leader of the Opposition inquired as to whether one Georges Lemay, a most wanted man, had entered Canada on April 23 and, after a short stay, had returned to the United States. I undertook to make a statement on the matter today.

In the course of his remarks the right hon. gentleman referred to certain articles in the press. I said that I had read one of the articles, and I have since had the opportunity of reading another one. I have made an investigation, and I am informed that on January 23, 1962 the Montreal police put out a "Wanted" circular for Lemay in connection with the robbery of the Bank of Nova Scotia, which had occurred on July 1, 1961. On January 31,1962, the R.C.M.P. were brought into the picture and I am informed that they distributed information on a routine basis to police forces in Canada, in different parts of the United States and elsewhere. Such an alert by the police does not, so far as I have been able to ascertain, include the Canadian immigration service. Our service, the immigration service, is concerned with aliens coming into Canada, not with people leaving Canada.

In this connection I might say that the first newspaper article referred to by the right hon. gentleman in his statement yesterday was a press item which alleged that the said Lemay had been in Vancouver in 1963. Now, Mr. Speaker, he may or may not have been in Vancouver, but even if he were this is not a matter which would involve my Department. Lemay is a Canadian. So far as I know-and I do not think I would be here if the circumstances were otherwise-going to Vancouver does not involve going through immigration.

With regard to the other suggestion, Mr. Speaker, that the said Lemay had entered Canada on April 23 of this year, and after a short stay, had returned to the United States, may I say that after careful consideration I do not consider it proper to comment at this time on this aspect. One of the said newspaper articles alleges that the U.S. immigration service has charged Lemay with illegal entry into the United States at Rouses Point, some 70 miles from Montreal. The article alleges that Lemay represented himself to be a United

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Inquiries of the Ministry States citizen, and that he produced a United States driving licence in the name of Rene Roy. Rouses Point is a U.S. border point. There is no Canadian port by that name. I might say there are several ports on the Canadian side that are served by a series of roads that come out from Rouses Point, but the immigration duties with regard to cars at these points are conducted by customs officers, not by immigration officers.

In any event, in the same article referred to by the right hon. gentleman a woman who claimed to be Mrs. Lemay is said to have denied that her husband did return to the United States on that occasion. She claims, according to the article, that he never left the United States and so could not have returned to the United States. Therefore this matter, being the subject of a charge in the United States courts, is sub judice, and I do not think I should comment on the truth or otherwise of the newspaper statements. However, Mr. Speaker, I think it is fitting for me to say to Members who are interested that in this particular incident, that, as a result of the effective co-operation of the authorities, including the police of Montreal, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and police officials in the United States, a much wanted man has been arrested and presumably he will be returned to Canada in due course under extradition proceedings.

Topic:   GEORGES LEMAY-REPORTED VISIT TO MONTREAL
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DORION COMMISSION-INQUIRY AS TO REPORT


On the orders of the day:


PC

Lloyd Roseville Crouse

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lloyd R. Crouse (Queens-Lunenburg):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Justice. Will the Minister inform the House when he expects the report of the Dorion Commission to be filed with the Government?

Topic:   DORION COMMISSION-INQUIRY AS TO REPORT
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LIB

Guy Favreau (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. Guy Favreau (Minister of Justice):

Mr. Speaker, of course I do not expect the report of the Dorion Commission. It will be received in due course by the Government.

Topic:   DORION COMMISSION-INQUIRY AS TO REPORT
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APPEARANCE IN NEW YORK COURT OF MEMBERS OF GOVERNMENT


On the orders of the day:


PC

Robert Carman Coates

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Robert C. Coates (Cumberland):

I should like to direct a question to the Acting Prime Minister. In view of the mention in a New York court of the names of the Secretary of State and the Postmaster General, can the Acting Prime Minister inform the House whether they have been asked to appear or will appear as witnesses either for the defence

or the prosecution in the trial of perjury charges relating to certain aspects of New York City administration?

Topic:   APPEARANCE IN NEW YORK COURT OF MEMBERS OF GOVERNMENT
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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Important as this question obviously is in the view of the hon. Member who asked it, nevertheless it should be put on the Order Paper.

Topic:   APPEARANCE IN NEW YORK COURT OF MEMBERS OF GOVERNMENT
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CANADIAN CONSTITUTION

REPORTED STATEMENT RESPECTING AMENDMENT METHOD


On the orders of the day:


RA

Jean Robert Beaulé

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Robert Beaule (Quebec East):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Justice.

Following a speech he apparently made on the Fulton-Favreau formula, the Quebec students association feels that the minister has a very poor opinion of the spirit of Quebec. According to a press release of this association, democracy is in a sad way when people are expected to follow blindly politicians who have not grasped the fundamentals of the problems of Quebec.

Could the minister add anything to that statement?

Topic:   CANADIAN CONSTITUTION
Subtopic:   REPORTED STATEMENT RESPECTING AMENDMENT METHOD
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LIB

Guy Favreau (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. Guy Favreau (Minister of Justice):

Mr. Speaker, this is obviously more a statement of opinion than a question. The hon. member can have his own opinion on the value of this formula which the government feels has been considered and adopted in the interests of all Canadians, and in the very best interests-and I say this sincerely-of the people of the province of Quebec.

The hon. member should remember that this formula, at least its substance, had been discussed with all the provinces in 1961 and had been accepted and recommended by the attorneys general of all the provinces at the conference of provincial premiers, and that the provincial premiers and the Prime Minister of Canada had recommended that it be submitted to parliament.

Topic:   CANADIAN CONSTITUTION
Subtopic:   REPORTED STATEMENT RESPECTING AMENDMENT METHOD
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CANADIAN CENTENNIAL

REPORTED DIFFERENCES AMONG MEMBERS OF COMMISSION


On the orders of the day:


NDP

Barry Mather

New Democratic Party

Mr. Barry Malher (New Westminster):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Secretary of State arising out of the questions asked him yesterday with relation to the reported trouble in the administration of the Canadian

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Centennial Commission. Having read yesterday's questions and the Minister's answers in Hansard, my question is, will the Minister undertake at least to consider making an early and comprehensive report to the House on the administrative situation with regard to the Centennial Commission, possibly with suggestions for improving the situation?

Topic:   CANADIAN CENTENNIAL
Subtopic:   REPORTED DIFFERENCES AMONG MEMBERS OF COMMISSION
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LIB

Maurice Lamontagne (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. Maurice Lamoniagne (Secretary of State):

Mr. Speaker, I will be very pleased to see Mr. Fisher as soon as he returns to Ottawa. Following that interview and discussion I will see whether it is necessary for me to make a statement to the House. But quite apart from making a statement to the House on the affairs of the Centennial Commission, may I say that the Commission itself would certainly welcome meeting a group of members from all parties, if this appears to be desirable, to discuss the programs and projects it has in mind. If there is a request made to this effect I am sure the Commission and its staff will be very happy to meet with Members of the House.

Topic:   CANADIAN CENTENNIAL
Subtopic:   REPORTED DIFFERENCES AMONG MEMBERS OF COMMISSION
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NDP

Barry Mather

New Democratic Party

Mr. Maiher:

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister think it proper to recommend the setting up of a committee of the House to go into this matter?

Topic:   CANADIAN CENTENNIAL
Subtopic:   REPORTED DIFFERENCES AMONG MEMBERS OF COMMISSION
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May 14, 1965