April 1, 1965

PC

Edward Nasserden

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nasserden:

Mr. Chairman, perhaps we could call it ten o'clock and leave my question until tomorrow.

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LIB

George James McIlraith (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

No, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps the hon. member would repeat his question.

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Lucien Lamoureux (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Order, please. If we had a little more order in the committee, perhaps the minister would be able to hear the question asked by the hon. member for Rosthern.

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PC

Edward Nasserden

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nasserden:

I am trying to find out whether there has been any change in the government's attitude in respect of indigent immigrants to Canada.

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LIB

George James McIlraith (President of the Privy Council; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

Mr. Chairman, I am not able to give an accurate or definitive answer to the hon. member's question, but I will be very pleased to undertake to ask the minister to provide that answer.

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Item agreed to.


LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

It being after ten o'clock shall I rise, report certain resolutions and request leave to sit again at the next sitting of the house?

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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Some hon. Members:

Carry on.

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Lucien Lamoureux (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Is it my understanding that certain hon. members have called it ten o'clock?

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Some hon. Members:

Carry on.

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NDP

Frank Howard

New Democratic Party

Mr. Howard:

It is ten o'clock, whether or not we want to call it that, Mr. Chairman.

Resolutions adopted in committee of supply this day reported and concurred in.

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PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION


A motion to adjourn the house under provisional standing order 39A deemed to have been moved.


POWER-COLUMBIA RIVER-REPLACEMENT OF DAMAGED FACILITIES

NDP

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

New Democratic Party

Mr. H. W. Herridge (Kootenay West):

Mr. Speaker, I am glad to give the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Public Works an opportunity to show his mettle. On March 311 addressed a question to the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Public Works in order that I might reply to many questions which have been directed to me by people in my constituency who are concerned about the particular and unusual situation. My question was:

Will the parliamentary secretary inform the house as to whether his department accepts responsibility for replacing wharves, launching ramps, rip-rap. pilings and dredging on the completion of the Columbia river treaty projects?

Naturally the people of my district are very concerned about the effect that the Columbia river treaty will have on their lives and their communities. They are also concerned about the clearing of the basins behind the High Arrow, Mica Creek and Duncan lake dams according to the standards established by the west Kootenay rod and gun association, which standards were later endorsed by the British Columbia fish and game federation.

However, the people who still reside in what is left of various communities between Robson and Revelstoke are anxious to know who is responsible for rebuilding the various wharves, launching ramps and other facilities which to date have been undertaken at the expense of the federal Department of Public Works. As far as one can judge at the present time, wharves or launching ramps will be required at Deer Park, Broadwater, Edgewood, Needles, Fauquier, Burton, East and West Arrow Park, Nakusp, St. Leon Hotsprings, Halcyon Hotsprings, Galena Bay, Shelter Bay and Revelstoke.

In addition, the federal Department of Public Works has expended over a period of 60 years thousands of dollars on rip-rap to prevent the erosion of the shores of the lakes or the river at two or three points. The department has installed piling for the convenience of tugs and other watercraft. The Department of Public Works has also undertaken the dredging of any channels necessary between the upper and lower lakes for the safe passage of tugs and other watercraft during low water.

It is because of my constituents' concern that I was asked to ask the minister for a statement of policy in connection with the Columbia river treaty related to the re-

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion building of the wharves, docks and other facilities that will be required. The residents are working at the present time for a paved highway from Revelstoke to Robson in order to connect the trans-Canada highway with the southern provincial highway and to serve those small communities that, in some instances, will be left after the flooding has taken place.

I keep in touch with some 250 people in my district on this question. Some of them write me every day about the problems that concern them, whether it be compensation, river basin clearing or something else. They keep me informed about their problems. They say they are getting the runaround from the B.C. hydro and power authority. They deplore the lack of information and they certainly deplore the lack of planning on the part of the provincial government before the treaty was signed. They are simply groping forward blindly, as it were.

My question is this: They want to know to whom they should appeal for the rebuilding of these wharves and other facilities which will be necessary before the Columbia river project is completed. If it is to the federal authorities, they know with whom to deal. If the responsibility is that of the B.C. hydro power authority, then they will soon get into action to present their case to that authority.

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George Roy McWilliam (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. G. Roy McWilliam (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, as the hon. member for Kootenay West (Mr. Herridge) stated, he raised this question yesterday. I am not going to repeat the question because he has put it on the record again. When he finished asking the question, the Speaker interjected and stated this was a proper question for the order paper. The hon. member for Kootenay West intervened and said, "that was really a dud". I do not know what he meant by that. Perhaps he was classifying the subject matter of the question, although I believe he said he had no reference to the subject matter- at least I hope not.

I realize the hon. member has had many representations from people in his constituency who are worried over what will take place in relation to this Columbia project. I cannot tell him at the moment whose responsibility it is to see that these installations are replaced or that new ones which may be required are built. I shall make inquiries and let the hon. member know as soon as I get the information so that the people in his constituency, and the hon. member himself, will be able to direct their efforts into the proper

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channels to bring about the desired results. I think that was the main point the hon. member had in mind in raising this question at this time. I cannot tell him at the moment who is responsible. If it were a matter of policy, I could not tell him anyway because the minister would have to make that announcement. I will get all the information I can for my hon. friend, and let him know as soon as I can.

Motion agreed to and the house adjourned at 10.15 p.m.

[The following items were passed in committee of supply this day:]

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DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE


Production and marketing- Administration- 15d. Administration, operation and maintenance, $215,000. 17d. Subsidies for cold storage warehouses under the Cold Storage Act, $26,900. Animal and animal products- 20d. Administration, operation and maintenance, $48,000. 25d. Grants, contributions and subsidies in the amounts and subject to the terms specified in the sub vote titles listed in the details of estimates, $110,650. Plant and plant products- 35d. Grants, contributions and subsidies as detailed in the estimates, $500,000. Health of animals- 45d. Grants, contributions and subsidies as detailed in the estimates, $21,711. Land rehabilitation, irrigation and water storage projects- 55d. Irrigation and water storage projects-To extend the purposes of agriculture vote 55 of the main estimates for 1964-65 to include Canada's fee for membership in the international commission on irrigation and drainage, and a special contribution of 16,500 rupees to the international commission on irrigation and drainage for construction of a central office building at New Delhi, India, $1. 60d. Irrigation and water storage projects in the western provinces including the south Saskatchewan river project, the Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act program, land protection, reclamation and development-Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and equipment, $1,500,000. Special- 70d. To deem a block of land that is eligible for an award under the Prairie Farm Assistance Act as though it were a complete township by virtue of paragraph (b) of section 6 thereof, to be an eligible township for purposes of paragraph (a) of section 6 thereof, and to ratify any award made in the current and previous fiscal years in respect of any land that would have been eligible land had this provision been applicable at the time of the making of the award, $1. 75d. Estimated amount required to recoup the Prairie farm emergency fund to cover the net operating loss for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1965, $367,000. 80d. Estimated amount required to recoup the agricultural commodities stabilization account to cover the net operating loss of the agricultural stabilization board as at March 31, 1965, $57,118,000. 85d. Estimated amount required to recoup the agricultural products board account to cover the net operating loss recorded in the account as at March 31, 1965, $300,000. 90d. Estimated amount required to provide for the operating loss of the Farm Credit Corporation for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1965, $1,540,000. 95d. Payment to the Farm Credit Corporation for carrying out the purposes of the Farm Machinery Syndicates Credit Act, $50,000.


DEPARTMENT OF CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION

April 1, 1965