April 1, 1965

LIB

Harry William Hays (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Hays:

If my memory serves me correctly I think we had 239 million pounds in storage. We now have about 75 million pounds of butter and five million pounds of butter oil. This is something less than we estimated we may require, but it is enough for the moment. Our deficit position would likely be between five million and 10 million

Supply-Agriculture

pounds. With our system of buying and selling butter the department feels we should keep between 70 million and 80 million pounds on hand. We have no surplus butter.

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John Angus MacLean

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

1 realize that; so this vote is to recoup the net operating losses of the agricultural stabilization board which, I understand, disposed of something like 140 million pounds of butter in the last fiscal year, and this was paid for from estimates passed in previous years. I do not know the amount realized from these sales, but is it not correct to assume this item would have to be increased by that amount, as if the butter had not been sold and was still carried as an asset?

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LIB

Harry William Hays (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Hays:

You will remember that last year we showed the loss on butter and wrote it all off in one big sweep of $120 million. In the last 12 months we sold $36 million worth of butter, which went into the stabilization board revolving fund. This amount of $57 million is the difference between what we buy and sell. I may not be accurate because I am quoting from memory, but I believe the program this year costs $47 million.

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John Angus MacLean

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

I realize that; but my question has not yet been answered. Does the amount realized from the sale of butter that has been in storage remain in the agricultural stabilization fund, or does it go into general revenue?

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PC

John Angus MacLean

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

Yes, the proceeds from what is sold the previous year?

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LIB

Harry William Hays (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Hays:

The proceeds of the stored butter went into general revenue.

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George Louis Chatterton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Chatterlon:

I want to raise what may be a small point so far as the over-all situation is concerned, but it is an important one to some of the lamb producers on southern Vancouver island and the gulf islands. A $2 subsidy is paid for grade A-l lambs, but it is paid only when a lamb is certified by a licensed abattoir. There is only one such abattoir on lower Vancouver island, and it charges $3.25 for slaughtering, and keeps the hide, which is worth another 25 cents.

The B.C. government has its own meat inspection service, and I wonder if the minister could not make an arrangement whereby lamb producers could slaughter on their farms and take the carcasses to the inspectors of the B.C. government, who could certify them according to the standards set

for grade A-l lamb. I am not asking for an answer; I am only asking the minister to take it into consideration.

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PC

Edward Nasserden

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nasserden:

Could the minister put on the record the total amount expected for egg support for the current year, and could he give us a commitment that the operations of the stabilization act will be brought for study before the agriculture committee next session?

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LIB

Harry William Hays (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Hays:

I will be pleased to put the amount on the record, and give very careful consideration to the other.

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Edward Nasserden

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nasserden:

I do not know whether the minister got what I was trying to get across, but so far as I am concerned I do not think there is much use in passing this particular item.

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LIB

Lucien Lamoureux (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Order. I must bring to the attention of the hon. member that he has asked the same question twice and the minister has given an answer. He cannot go on asking the same question eternally.

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Edward Nasserden

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nasserden:

Well, Mr. Chairman, if that is the way the Chair feels about this whole matter, there are a whole lot of questions that could be asked if it were brought before the agriculture committee, and I would just as soon ask them right here and now, if you have the time.

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Lucien Lamoureux (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Shall the item carry?

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Harold Warren Danforth

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Danforth:

I should like to bring to the attention of the minister a correction I think he would like to make in Hansard. Referring to the dairy policy which he announced last Friday and referring specifically to the subsidy which is being paid between the $3.50 and the $3.30 the minister stated a few moments ago that this was based on production in 1963-64. I think the minister meant 1964-65 production.

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LIB

Harry William Hays (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Hays:

That is right. I shall make it.

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Harold Warren Danforth

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Danforth:

I was interested in the minister's assertion that the president of the sugar beet growers has expressed satisfaction with the action of the government. May I ask him whether this is the national president or the Ontario president, or whether both are expressing satisfaction with the subsidized price?

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Harry William Hays (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Hays:

The national president wrote me and the other president telephoned me.

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Harold Warren Danforth

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Danforlh:

I should like to make sure of this because I know the provincial president in 1962 said the stabilized price of $13.72 was so low as to be an insult to the industry. In view of increased expenses since 1962, is the association now taking the view that an increase of only 63 cents a ton or approximately $8 or $9 an acre is sufficient?

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April 1, 1965