March 19, 1965

LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I think all the hon. gentleman has to do is to get up now and ask for leave to appear before the commission.

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PC

Erik Nielsen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

If that is the interpretation of the rules, that this house can give me unanimous consent, I do so immediately-

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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PC

Erik Nielsen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

-but I suggest to you, sir, and I suggest to the Prime Minister, that there is something deeper involved here with respect-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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PC

Erik Nielsen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

-with respect to the rules of the house. As I read the rules a substantive motion must be introduced and, in this way, leave of the house given-

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Some hon. Members:

You have got it.

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PC

Erik Nielsen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

-in that motion. It is no good for members to say "You have got it". I suggest, sir, that is the proper course for the government to follow. If the government does not take its responsibilities in this regard, and if no member is going to contradict my understanding of the rules in a substantive way, then it would be my intention next Monday to move such a motion, because I think it is necessary.

Question of Privilege

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LIB

David Arnold Croll

Liberal

Mr. Reid Scroll (Danforlh):

I wonder if I could ask Your Honour whether it would be in order for a member at this time to move a motion granting permission to the hon. member for Yukon, the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice and the Postmaster General to appear before the Dorion commission and give such evidence as they think would be useful. The hon. member for Greenwood has drafted such a motion, and I would be prepared to second such a motion if it were moved.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Anything dealing with the rights and privileges of members is of great importance, certainly in my estimation and I believe in the estimation of all members. It is the duty of the Chair also to make sure that these rights and privileges are fully protected. I do believe, in view of its importance,

I should take the matter into consideration over the week end. It may be that the proper procedure is as indicated, but I think this step should be carefully checked before Monday. Then I can perhaps suggest or communicate with members as to the correct procedure. In principle it seems to me the matter is important.

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NDP

Francis Andrew Brewin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Andrew Brewin (Greenwood):

In order for Your Honour to be able to consider the matter, I should like to put before the house for your consideration a formal motion that this house give special leave to the hon. member for Yukon, the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, the Postmaster General and any other member who is invited to attend before the Dorion commission to do so, and to refer to any matter that has been in debate in this house.

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NDP

Reid Scott

New Democratic Party

Mr. Scott:

I should like to second that.

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PC

Erik Nielsen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nielsen:

I should like to be the seconder of that motion.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. I wonder if I could have that motion. If there is unanimous consent I do not believe we need to waste much time.

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

It has been moved by the hon. member for Greenwood and seconded by the hon. member for Yukon-

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An hon. Member:

It is in good French.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

I must advise the house it is not in French but is in hard to read English.

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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

Mr. Speaker, I am rising on a point of order.

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An hon. Member:

The motion must be put first.

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March 19, 1965