November 18, 1964


Motion No. 188-Mr. Fisher: That an order of the house do issue for a copy of all public addresses given, and press releases issued, by John J. Deutsch, chairman of the economic council of Canada. Motion agreed to.


CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION


On the orders of the day:


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Gordon Minto Churchill (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gordon Churchill (Winnipeg South Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration whether he will now answer the question I asked yesterday, in addition to tabling the directive to which I drew attention, concerning his instruction to remove the portraits of Her Majesty the Queen from the citizenship courts.

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Some hon. Members:

Shame.

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René Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Hon. Rene Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration):

I see that the hon. member for Winnipeg South Centre (Mr. Churchill) has not yet been successful in reaching the right hon. Leader of the Opposition, but I will be glad-

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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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Jay Waldo Monteith

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Monleith:

Who do you think you are?

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Inquiries of the Ministry [Translation]

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René Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Tremblay:

-when the Leader of the Opposition is in the house, to give a complete answer to the question asked by the hon. member.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask a supplementary question. Using the words of the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration himself, has he the courage to answer the question I asked yesterday?

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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René Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Tremblay:

Mr. Speaker, I am very glad to table the directive given to the citizenship courts in Canada by the citizenship registrar. I reserve the right to answer later the right hon. Leader of the Opposition.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Official Opposition House Leader; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

A further supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. I wonder whether the minister would reply to the members of this house rather than trying to dodge the issue. May I ask him this question. Is he accepting full responsibility for the directive which he has now tabled, or is he shifting the burden to a civil servant who is not here in this house to answer for himself?

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René Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Tremblay:

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I assume full responsibility for a decision which was made without my consent but which I find in accordance with protocol instructions.

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Joseph Julien Jean-Pierre Côté

Liberal

Mr. Jean-Pierre Cote (Longueuil):

Could the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration tell us who is responsible for the protocol, as far as this matter is concerned?

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René Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Tremblay:

Mr. Speaker, those instructions are transmitted from one department to another. I do not think that the minister should reveal who gave advice in this instance.

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Eldon Mattison Woolliams

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Eldon M. Woolliams (Bow River):

further supplementary question. I wonder whether the minister in a few words would tell us the reason these pictures were removed from these courtrooms.

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René Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Tremblay:

Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member insists, I have no objection whatsoever to explaining the matter fully. Since the right hon. Leader of the Opposition raised this matter, I thought it was proper to wait for his return. However, and with your permission,

Mr. Speaker, I have no objection at all to give all the facts in this matter.

When the right hon. Leader of the Opposition gave his press conference, accusing the government of having ordered citizenship courts to remove portraits of the Queen, he knew very well that no such instruction had been given either by myself or by the government, since I had informed him by telephone that this instruction had been given by the citizenship registrar.

It is customary for the citizenship branch of my department to supply citizenship courts with coats of arms of Canada, flags and portraits of Her Majesty the Queen.

In reply to questions asked by judges of citizenship courts to ascertain where those items should be placed, officials of my department obtained the advice of experts on the matter who said that the coat of arms and flags should be placed in the courtroom while it would be more appropriate to place the portrait of Her Majesty in the judge's chamber, where applicants for Canadian citizenship are interviewed and where the judge can more adequately explain the role of Her Majesty.

May I also add that in our federal courts, such as the Supreme Court of Canada and the Exchequer Court of Canada, only the coat of arms of Canada is placed in the courtrooms.

It is most unfortunate that such unfounded accusations were made by the right hon. Leader of the Opposition, which is affecting national unity.

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Michael Starr (Progressive Conservative Party Caucus Chair)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Michael Starr (Ontario):

Mr. Speaker, I have a supplementary question for the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration. Would the minister indicate to this house the department to which these specialists belong?

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René Tremblay (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Tremblay:

Mr. Speaker, I answered this question before. I do not think that a minister has the prerogative to reveal from what other department advice was received with regard to a decision made, in full responsibility by the officials of my department, even if advice was sought and received from other departments.

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November 18, 1964