November 18, 1964

CHANGE IN SEATING ARRANGEMENTS OF NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege, and I may say it is a very pleasant one. I should like to express the thanks of our party to the hon. member for Chicoutimi and to his party for the kindness they have shown in making available a seat in our area of the house.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

One of my hon. friends is asking me to express my thanks to the Progressive Conservative party, too, but that was not part of what I intended to say.

In the light of all this may I ask that the following changes of seating be noted: the hon. member for Vancouver-Kingsway to seat No. 214; the hon. member for Winnipeg North to seat No. 239; the hon. member for Dan-forth to seat No. 240; the hon. member for New Westminster to seat No. 241; the hon. member for Burnaby-Richmond to seat No. 267, and the hon. member for Hamilton South to seat No. 268. This will leave seat No. 269 available for the new member for Waterloo South, Mr. Max Saltsman.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Will the Clerk please take note of the seating changes.

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PRIVILEGE

MR. COWAN-REMARKS IN DEBATE BY PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY TO JUSTICE MINISTER

LIB

Ralph Bronson Cowan

Liberal

Mr. Ralph Cowan (York-Humber):

I rise on a question of privilege at this time on behalf of myself personally and of other newspapermen in the house to protest against the language used by the parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Justice last night in endeavouring to answer a question raised by the hon. member for Yukon.

It is bad enough to have a newspaper accused of yellow journalism when it practices deceit, but when a newspaper gives a 20220-646J

straightforward, honest statement of the facts as was the case in the report regarding those two high ranking R.C.M.P. officers in Montreal, no one in the Department of Justice has any right to refer to it as yellow journalism. The hon. gentleman also suggested that no member of this house would want any kind of drumhead justice considered, since the Department of Justice has been studying the pension rights of the two men who have been tried and convicted. I should like to ask the parliamentary secretary whether arrangements are being made for pensions for printers who are on strike at La Presse, Montreal and at the Telegram, the Star and the Globe and Mail in Toronto. These men have forsworn their pension rights though they never stole anything from anybody.

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WATER RESOURCES

ELLIOT LAKE-STATEMENT ON REPORTED RADIOACTIVE POLLUTION

LIB

Charles Mills (Bud) Drury (Minister of Industry; Minister of Defence Production)

Liberal

Hon. C. M. Drury (Minister of Industry):

As minister through whom the atomic energy control board reports to parliament, I should like to make a statement on radioactive contamination in waters in the Elliot Lake area and to reiterate the assurance given last Friday by the Prime Minister that there is no immediate hazard to the public and that adequate steps are being taken.

The question of pollution in provincial waters is of course one primarily of provincial jurisdiction, and to this end the province of Ontario has given the Ontario water resources commission the task of monitoring pollution in provincial waters. To safeguard the health of the public, the commission works in close co-operation with the Ontario department of health. Because, however, of the radioactive element in the present case the atomic energy control board has a direct interest.

Since 1957 the Ontario water resources commission has been actively engaged in carrying out investigations in the Elliot Lake area directed primarily toward minimizing the chemical and physical effects of uranium ore waste on the Serpent river watershed, and during this period has kept the atomic energy control board informed as to the

Statement on Reported Water Pollution presence and levels of radioactive elements in the waters of the area.

In order to rectify the existing situation, which has some long term dangers but no immediate hazards, the commission has been discussing with the mining companies concerned the taking of measures necessary, both in their view and in the view of the atomic energy control board, to bring about an abatement of the existing pollution. I am advised that the steps taken by the Ontario water resources commission to date and the future plans to deal with this situation are fully supported by the atomic energy control board, and further that the atomic energy control board endorses the conclusions reached by the commission and the Ontario department of health, namely that there is no immediate hazard to persons in the affected area; rather, these agencies are concerned with the possibilities of a long term-that is, many years-hazard that could develop should the situation not be brought under control at this time.

Mr. Speaker, I should like to table, for the information of hon. members, an official statement by the Ontario water resources commission outlining the steps being taken in this regard and their plans for the future.

In so far as other areas in Canada are concerned where uranium mining is being carried on, I am advised that radioactive contamination of water supplies as a consequence of these mining operations is not a problem. A recent report regarding the spreading of dust from the piles of tailings is also unduly alarmist. I am advised by the atomic energy control board that the concentration of radioactive material in this dust is so low as not to constitute a hazard to health.

On the orders of the day:

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Burnaby-Coquillam):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to direct two questions to the Minister of Industry regarding the report he made to the house this afternoon, which to my mind was far from reassuring.

First, how does it come about that the atomic energy control board, which has some measure of responsibility, has allowed this situation with reference to radiation pollution to go as far as it has without more effective measures being taken? Second, has his attention been drawn to the statement which appeared in the Globe and Mail of November 17 by Mr. Frank Wright, former health inspector in that area, who said that

he drew the situation to the attention of the mining companies and the health authorities and was told to mind his own business, and was able to get no action whatsoever? I want to ask the minister whether any machinery is being set up to tighten inspection so the situation will not become worse.

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LIB

Charles Mills (Bud) Drury (Minister of Industry; Minister of Defence Production)

Liberal

Hon. C. M. Drury (Minister of Industry):

Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member for Bur-naby-Coquitlam will take the time to read the statement on the situation which I have tabled, I think a number of his doubts will probably be resolved. In regard to his question as to how come this situation has been allowed to arise, I might say that a situation has arisen which does present a long term hazard to health if nothing is done. It does not present a short term hazard to health today. The long term hazard has been some time in arising, and it is being dealt with in time and adequately.

In so far as the statement of the health inspector is concerned, as I recollect the report it was to the effect that he had left that particular job last June and was entirely unfamiliar with what has happened in the Elliot lake area since June. If both he and the hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam will read the statement I have tabled I think both he and the hon. member will be satisfied.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

I listened to the statement very carefully, and all I could gather was that the minister was sure the danger had not reached serious proportions. Will he tell the house what has happened since June in the Elliot Lake area which makes the situation any different from that described by Mr. Wright.

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LIB

Charles Mills (Bud) Drury (Minister of Industry; Minister of Defence Production)

Liberal

Mr. Drury:

In the paper I have tabled the steps which have been taken or which are being taken are outlined, steps which are designed to lead and which will in fact lead to the abatement of this pollution.

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QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)


VACANT POSITIONS FOR PSYCHOLOGISTS. KINGSTON PENITENTIARY

NDP

Mr. Howe (Hamilton

New Democratic Party

South):

Regarding the three positions for psychologists now vacant at the federal penitentiary in Kingston (a) how long has each position been vacant (b) what are the qualifications required for each position (c) what is the salary offered for each position (d) is the government engaged in active efforts to fill these positions?

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. D. S. Macdonald (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Justice):

(a) These positions have been vacant as follows:

(i) One vacancy since 15 April 1959; (ii) one vacancy since 1 April 1962; (iii) one vacancy since 26 June 1962. An appointment has been made to this vacancy which will take effect on the 1st October 1964.

(b) and (c) The qualifications and relative salary ranges for these positions are as follows:

(i) Psychologist 4, $7,540-$8,040, graduation from a university of recognized standing with a Ph.D. in psychology or a master's degree in psychology plus five years' responsible professional experience; (ii) psychologist 3, $6,940-$7,840, graduation from a university of recognized standing with a master's degree in psychology plus two years' responsible professional experience or completion of all requirements for a Ph.D. in psychology less thesis; (iii) psychologist 2, $6,340-$7,240, graduation from a university of recognized standing with a master's degree in psychology; (iv) psychologist 1, $6,140-$6,940, graduation from a university of recognized standing with a bachelor's degree in psychology, plus three years' suitable experience. Candidates with all requirements for an M.A. degree in psychology less thesis are eligible for appointment to this grade without the experience requirement.

In all cases efforts are made to procure the employment of qualified candidates meeting the highest standard. However, if no qualified candidates are available for employment at the highest rates, appointments are made at the appropriate rates corresponding to the candidates' qualifications.

(d) Yes, these positions have been advertised extensively in the press and in professional periodicals.

Questions

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November 18, 1964