November 6, 1964

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

NATO-DISCUSSIONS RESPECTING ATTITUDE OF GOVERNMENT OF FRANCE


On the orders of the day:


PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I direct a question to the Secretary of State for External Affairs and ask whether the government has recently received representations from the government of France, or from General de Gaulle, relating to a new form or direction for the NATO alliance. I ask the question because of an article in today's issue of Le Devoir reporting an alleged statement made by Mr. Pompidou, the French premier, that in line with recent events in the Soviet union and China, NATO's strategic concept must be completely revamped. Has the Canadian government had any discussions in this regard?

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Paul Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, the right hon. gentleman has raised a matter of considerable importance. There have been no direct communications from the government of France on this subject, but the attitude the government of France takes toward the military organization of NATO has been the subject of considerable discussion between Canada and France and between the government of France and the other members of NATO.

The publicly stated position of the president of France was referred to by the French foreign minister two days ago in the statement made with regard to the m.l.f. and its relation to NATO. I may say that one of the reasons I asked Mr. Paul-Henri Spaak, the foreign minister of Belgium, to come to Ottawa was in regard to this problem. Today I am having discussions with Mr. Lange, the foreign minister of Norway. Our discussions will have to do with some aspects of this situation.

I would simply like to say that NATO represents for Canada a very essential element of our foreign and military policy. We regard the participation of France in NATO as one of

the most important components in the integrity and unity of that organization. We hope there will be no development on the part of any member of the organization that would in any way result in less interest in NATO or a withdrawal from it. I can assure my right hon. friend this whole question is being carefully examined.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, I agree with the minister on the necessity of maintaining a strong and effective NATO organization and not permitting the cement which joins the various nations to become weakened in any way. However, the minister made a statement, referring to the attitude that France is taking toward NATO, that I think should be amplified. What are the implications of that statement? Does it in any way convey a decision on the part of France, or a fear that France may separate itself from this organization so necessary to the preservation of western defence?

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Mr. Marlin@Essex East

It is well known, Mr. Speaker, that the government of France has taken a position with regard to the integration of forces in NATO. Its view has been stated on many occasions. It is also known that the government of France, through its foreign minister, has recently confirmed its views about m.l.f., the multilateral nuclear force proposal which has been put forward by the United States. Beyond this I cannot go without interfering with discussions which are now under way.

No intimation has been given by the government of France as to the position it would take if its views did not prevail. I expressed the opinion strongly a moment ago, and I confirm it, that it would be a matter of the greatest regret if the government of France were to take any position, or be caused to take any position, which in our judgment would render less strong the integrity of NATO, particularly at this time in world affairs.

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Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Burnaby-Coquillam):

May I ask whether the views of the government of France with respect to the m.l.f. differ very greatly from those of the Canadian government? Am I right in understanding

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Inquiries of the Ministry that the Canadian government is still refusing to commit itself to participation in the multilateral force?

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

I think the Prime Minister stated on several occasions that it was not the intention of the Canadian government to participate in the multilateral force.

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ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE

BRITISH COLUMBIA-COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE OF CONVICTED MURDERER


On the orders of the day:


NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Burnaby-Coquitlam):

have a question for the Minister of Justice. In his absence perhaps I could address it to the Prime Minister. It refers to the action of the governor general in council in commuting the sentence on Kingsley Lloyd Meeker from one of death to life imprisonment. As one who is opposed to capital punishment I do not raise any objection to this action. I am perturbed, however, about reports to the effect that this man could be paroled within ten years. Since he was found guilty of a particularly heinous crime I wish to ask the Prime Minister whether there is any provision in the order for commutation which would make it impossible for this man to be released unless there were adequate assurance he would no longer be a menace to the public safety.

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister):

No, there is no such reference in the order of commutation, but consideration is being given to certain representations which have been made to the government with regard to this matter.

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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Will the government be letting the house and the public know what decision it reaches in this regard before the matter is

finalized?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Leader of the Opposition):

I am interested in the statement made by the Prime Minister. Is it not customary when a commutation order is made in circumstances such as these to include therein a provision that the nature of the crime committed and the general disposition of the convicted murderer make it necessary that no action be taken at any time in the future to effect the remission of the sentence and the discharge of the prisoner?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

I appreciate the point made by the right hon. gentleman. This is one of the matters we are looking into.

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INDIAN AFFAIRS

REPRESENTATIONS OF MANIWAKI BAND RESPECTING JURISDICTION

November 6, 1964