July 10, 1964

RAILWAYS, CANALS AND TELEGRAPH LINES


Second report of standing committee on railways, canals and telegraph lines-Mr. Richard.


AGRICULTURE

TABLING OF EASTERN CANADA FARM SURVEY

LIB

Harry William Hays (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. Harry W. Hays (Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to table two copies of the eastern Canada farm survey, as requested some time ago by the hon. member for Qu'Appelle. In tabling this survey I would like to point out that it was prepared by persons outside the government and was instructed to be prepared by the previous government, and the views and conclusions expressed in the report do not necessarily represent the views of this government on the matters dealt with by the report.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   TABLING OF EASTERN CANADA FARM SURVEY
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EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE


On the orders of the day:


PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct two questions to the Secretary of State for External Affairs. The first has to do with peace keeping in general, and in particular the proposal of the U.S.S.R. I would ask the minister whether the acceptance of the Soviet proposal in its present form would not have the effect of placing peace keeping operations under the security council of the United Nations rather than under the general assembly, thereby permitting the U.S.S.R. to exercise a veto and to control peace keeping operations.

My second question has to do with the situation of the peace keeping force in Cyprus. Has the attention of the minister been drawn to the fact that in the United Kingdom within the last 24 hours there has been a reference to the number of Greek troops which allegedly infiltrated Cyprus

about ten days ago, the number which I mentioned at the time by way of a question as 4,000? Is there not now confirmation of that, and what has the minister to say in that regard?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Hon. Paul Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, with regard to the last question, I heard the report mentioned this morning, and there is no confirmation of those precise figures.

With regard to the first question, it is true that in the Soviet proposal for the establishment of a permanent peace keeping body under the United Nations, the Soviet union apparently intends that the security council shall have exclusive authority in the matter. It is only fair to say that under chapter 7 of the charter of the United Nations there is such a provision. But since the charter of the United Nations came into being the general assembly has brought into existence the procedure, under the uniting for peace resolution, which gives a residual authority to the assembly when the security council, having exercised the veto or having failed to act, takes a course which is not acceptable to the general assembly. Canada continues to regard peace keeping as the primary responsibility of the security council but, as I said last night in the external affairs committee, Canada would feel that the general assembly, in the contingencies I have mentioned, should not be deprived of the right to act when the security council has failed to do so.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

With the purport of what the minister has said I am in agreement, but he has not answered my question. Would not the acceptance of the Soviet proposal in its present form have the effect of obliterating that residual power which has developed whereby under certain circumstances the assembly can act?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Marlin (Essex East):

I do not think so, Mr. Speaker. The veto is now embodied in the security council and is exercised by the great powers. The uniting for peace resolution was adopted after this power was given to the security council, and the general assembly acted notwithstanding. So my view, and it may be an arguable one, is that such would not be the situation.

Inquiries of the Ministry

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Burnaby-Coquitlam):

Mr. Speaker, a supplementary question. Could I ask the secretary of state whether he has received from the Soviet union directly or indirectly the terms of their proposal, and could such terms be made available to us so we can study them? Also may we have some statement from the minister as to what is the reaction of the Canadian government to this proposal?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Marlin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, we have not had a formal communication from the Soviet union. Other countries have not received their copies. It may be that the ambassador wishes to deliver it personally. However, we have had the full text before us and have made a preliminary study of the matter. As soon as this proposal is formally before us, I will be happy to see that the full text of the proposal is tabled in this house for the consideration of hon. members.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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SC

Robert Norman Thompson

Social Credit

Mr. R. N. Thompson (Red Deer):

A supplementary question. I would hesitate to think that the information the minister has at hand is not as up to date as what we receive in news bulletins, but the confirmation I have heard is that the British prime minister said that 4,000 Greek nationals did land on Cyprus and were dispersed in small groups to homes in the mountains, and that these landings coincided with the arrival of General Grivas on the island. Has the minister been in direct contact either with the Greek or the Turkish government about this critical and serious situation?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, I can tell my hon. friend that the British prime minister did not make any such statement, and I can assure my hon. friend, as I have already indicated, that we have been in touch not only with the ambassadors of the countries concerned in Ottawa but we are in continuous touch with the United Nations, with our NATO partners and with other sources. This is not the place to confirm or deny figures which are given in this way. There is under way a very important deliberation in Geneva under the direction of the mediator, who is meeting with certain parties. This could be a very important meeting, and because of it I do not propose to go any further at this moment.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, the figure I gave ten days ago was one which has been used very authoritatively in various places except in this House of Commons. After this meeting takes place in Geneva today will the

minister remove the mystery regarding this matter? Certainly all over the world this is the figure which is being used, and used by individuals who have some knowledge, as the hon. member said a few moments ago. It is difficult to understand why the secrecy, except that when we brought it up originally the minister said there was no foundation for the whole thing.

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Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Marlin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, I think in a matter of this vital importance we should and, I am sure all of us agree, weigh very carefully the significance of what we say. I can only say to my right hon. friend that the government has sources of information, as have other countries; we have to assess these, and this we are doing. There is not much to be gained, in my judgment, by public discussion as to whether there are this number or that number. I have indicated that we have expressed our deep concern, as other countries have, with regard to the presence of troops from other countries that have an involvement.

The meeting that is under way now is a vital meeting. It will not be finished today by any means. This very important meeting is under the direction of the mediator. There are other parties present, among them parties who are guarantors of the treaty of 1961. I would sincerely hope that as a result of this meeting the situation will become clearer and I hope more satisfactory. In any event Canada takes the position which other members of the NATO alliance take. This situation is one that calls for both Greece and Turkey to exercise every moderating influence they can in order not to complicate an important and difficult assignment given by the security council to the mediator.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

There is one other matter. Certainly Canadians, with 1,100 men there, are most anxious to be assured that the Canadian government has made very clear to the Greek government and to the Turkish government the fact, regardless of NATO relationships or otherwise, that it is a very serious matter for Canadians if there be a basis in fact for such incursions in that country.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

My right hon. friend has already been assured, and I reassure him, that when I saw both Prime Minister Papandreou in Washington and Prime Min-iter Inonu in New York a few days ago, I made this unmistakeably clear, as I did to their ambassadors here a few days ago, and as the secretary general has done. I would remind the house of the statement made by

General Gyani the day before yesterday when he made his report to the secretary general, and of the statement of the secretary general in the United Nations the day before yesterday when he directed a formal appeal to both Greece and Turkey with regard to infiltration asking them to respond in a manner that would enable him to make a report to the security council.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   RUSSIAN PROPOSAL RESPECTING PEACE KEEPING FORCE
Sub-subtopic:   LANDING OF GREEK TROOPS IN CYPRUS
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July 10, 1964