May 22, 1964

UNITED NATIONS

ADDRESS BY SECRETARY GENERAL TO JOINT MEETING OF SENATE AND HOUSE OF COMMONS

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

I wish to announce that on Tuesday, May 26, at ten o'clock in the morning a joint meeting of all hon. members of the Senate and the House of Commons will be held in this chamber in honour of the secretary general of the United Nations, His Excellency U Thant, who will deliver an address.

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PRIVILEGE

MR. RONDEAU REPORTED REMARKS BY MEMBER FOR THREE RIVERS

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Gilbert F. Rondeau

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gilbert Rondeau (Shefford):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege which concerns the honour and reputation of several hon. members of this house.

In view of the fact that these past few days the hon. member for Three Rivers (Mr. Balcer) has been taking the liberty to make vague, incorrect and misleading statements which are spreading doubt and confusion about the intentions of several hon. members, I feel duty bound to straighten things out.

The hon. member for Three Rivers took the liberty to state that more Creditistes would be leaving the ranks of their party to join the Conservatives.

Now, Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the members of the Ralliement Creditistes, I want to make the following corrective statement: Not a single member of the Ralliement Creditistes has thought of joining the ranks of the Conservative party. On the contrary, none of them has considered leaving the ranks of the Ralliement.

Therefore, the hon. member for Three Rivers-

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I doubt very much whether this is a question of privilege. Inasmuch as the hon. member has had an opportunity of making a statement I think we should now proceed with the business before the house.

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Gilbert F. Rondeau

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Rondeau:

Once again the hon. member for Three Rivers has tried to mislead and delude the Canadian people-

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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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Gilles Grégoire

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gilles Gregoire (Lapoinie):

I rise on a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Before deciding whether there is a question of privilege concerning the matter raised by the hon. member for Shefford, would it not be reasonable to hear his explanations and then you would be in a position to decide whether or not there is a question of privilege. This is why I humbly ask you to let the hon. member for Shefford complete his statement.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The reason the Chair came to this quick decision, if you want to call it that, is that if all hon. members were to comment on all the statements made by other hon. members outside the chamber we might be here for several years. It seems to me that the point has been made this morning, and I suggest to the hon. member that he leave it at that and that we get on with the business before the house.

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Gilles Grégoire

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, I should like to quote paragraph 1 of standing order 39, under which we are allowed to put questions to members other than ministers, if members of the house are concerned.

I should like to ask the hon. member for Three Rivers when other Social Crediters will join his party, and what their names are?

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Léon Balcer

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Leon Balcer (Three Rivers):

Mr. Speaker, I must tell the hon. member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) and the hon. member for Shefford (Mr. Rondeau) that they need not-

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

Question of Privilege

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Léon Balcer

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Balcer:

-be worried, because we are not in the least interested in having them in our party.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order. After due consideration and advice, I am advised that any question under standing order 39 (1) must relate to the business before the house. Consequently the question as asked by the hon. member is out of order.

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Gilles Grégoire

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, I beg your pardon if my question was out of order but that meant, neither more nor less, that desk changes were considered, and I thought that it could be of interest to the house, since the matter had been mentioned in the newspapers.

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Norman Platt Lambert

Liberal

Mr. Lambert:

Keep quiet.

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Gilles Grégoire

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gregoire:

As a supplementary question, may I tell the hon. member that, as for not joining his ranks, the pleasure is ours.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order. It seems to me this is the start of a very bad practice, and I certainly would not want to encourage it.

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May 22, 1964