May 5, 1964


On the orders of the day:


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Léon Balcer

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Leon Balcer (Three Rivers):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Prime Minister. Would he tell us how it is possible to conciliate his statement to the effect that there would be only one national pension plan, which would be the same for all Canada, with the statement by Mr. Lesage that there will be only one provincial pension plan in Quebec, and that this scheme will be strictly provincial?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I have already answered this question twice. I am sorry it has not been to the satisfaction of my hon. friend.

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Léon Balcer

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Balcer:

As a supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, could the Prime Minister tell us if the provinces, by accepting the proposal of the federal government, thereby lose the priority rights conferred on them by section 94A of the British North America Act?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

No, Mr. Speaker; neither the provincial government nor the federal government loses any right it possesses in this field.

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Paul Raymond Martineau

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Paul Martineau (Pontiac-Tamisca-mingue):

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, arising from the statement made

yesterday in Vancouver by the Minister of Finance. Would the Prime Minister tell the house if the government intends to postpone again its legislation concerning the pension plan?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Mr. Speaker, there is no such

intention, and the Minister of Finance to my knowledge has made no such statement.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the Prime Minister what progress has been made in securing the consent of the provinces to an amendment to provide survivor benefits under the prospective pension legislation. At the same time would he clarify the statement allegedly made yesterday by the Minister of Finance that the pension legislation will not be proceeded with now but that it will be approximately a year before it will be ready to be proceeded with?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Mr. Speaker, I do not think I should be asked to comment on a statement allegedly made by the Minister of Finance. I will inquire of the Minister of Finance as soon as he returns later today exactly what he did say, and make whatever comment is required tomorrow.

As far as the first part of the question is concerned, we are in touch with the provinces in regard to a constitutional amendment and other matters connected with the proposed pension legislation.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Without commenting on what the Minister of Finance allegedly said, will the Prime Minister tell the house and give the assurance to the Canadian people that the pension legislation will be proceeded with at this session, and immediately?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Mr. Speaker, I am interested in proceeding with this legislation without delay, but I am also interested in including in the legislation survivor benefits, and we wish to get the constitutional amendment required for that purpose as quickly as possible. We know now that all provinces are agreeable to this kind of amendment. We have been in touch with them as to the exact form of the amendment before we submit it to the place where it has to be passed.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

In view of the progress that has been made and the fact that the provinces are in agreement, would it not be possible to proceed simultaneously with the pension legislation and get it into committee while at the same time proceeding with the

amendment to the constitution, which will be accepted by the house and certainly will not be turned down by Westminster?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Surely the right hon. gentleman does not ask us to include in a bill prepared for this house a provision which would be ultra vires of this house until the constitutional amendment is passed?

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Is this the excuse for delay in this connection?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

It is the excuse for observing the constitution. Mr. Speaker, I want to give my right hon. friend complete information. It is also the reason alleged by my right hon. friend's government for doing nothing for five years.

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John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, we at least endeavoured to secure consent and did not. The Prime Minister says he has consent, and he will not go ahead. It looks as if there is a scheme to delay this legislation.

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North

Centre): Mr. Speaker, may I ask the Prime Minister a supplementary question for purposes of clarification. If he gave the answer a few minutes ago, perhaps he could repeat it. Is it the intention of the government to proceed with the pension legislation at this session?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Mr. Speaker, we hope we will have the constitutional amendment in time so that we can proceed in this session, indeed in this part of the session if possible.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Hon. D. S. Harkness (Calgary Norlh):

May

I ask a supplementary question. In answer to a question by the hon. member for Bur-naby-Coquitlam the Prime Minister said he hoped this legislation would go through in this part of the session. What did he mean by that?

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

I hope that at least we will have a long week end some time this summer.

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May 5, 1964