February 19, 1964

PUBLIC ACCOUNTS

TABLING OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS AND AUDITOR GENERAL'S REPORT

LIB

Walter Lockhart Gordon (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. Waller L. Gordon (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, in accordance with the requirements of the Financial Administration Act I have tabled today volumes I, II, and III, in English and in French, of the Public Accounts of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1963.

I have also tabled for the first time an abridged edition of the Public Accounts of Canada in English and in French. It is my belief that a wider distribution of some of the data contained in the public accounts will prove of value to those who desire information in summary form of the more significant aspects of the government's financial transactions for the fiscal year. I hope this abridged report will commend itself to hon. members and to the public, and that the practice introduced today will be followed in subsequent years.

I have also tabled the report, in English and in French, of the Auditor General of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1963.

Topic:   PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
Subtopic:   TABLING OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS AND AUDITOR GENERAL'S REPORT
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LABOUR RELATIONS

MARITIME UNIONS


On the orders of the day:


PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Righi Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Leader of ihe Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Prime Minister or the Minister of Labour, and ask whether either of them can explain how it is that Hal Banks is still in his position as head of the S.I.U., and whether there has been any report from the board of trustees in that connection.

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. A. J. MacEachen (Minister of Labour):

Mr. Speaker, as my right hon. friend realizes, the authority for the management and control of the maritime transportation unions is vested in the board of trustees, and any course of action with respect to any officer or employee of any of the unions would be a matter for decision by the trustees.

With respect to the second part of my right hon. friend's question, I expect to 20220-2

receive a report of the trustees at an early date, which I will transmit to parliament as soon as I receive it.

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

If I might follow that up, Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the minister a question regarding a questionnaire the existence of which was denied by him on December 13 last, and subsequently denied again just before the end of the last session.

Now that we know the questionnaire actually went out I would like to ask the minister whether the information, or any of the information, contained in the questionnaire, or the information secured by the public relations firm which acts for the board of trustees, has been made available to any other union and, in particular, what foundation there is for the generally reported stand taken by various labour men that the seafarers' union membership has been raided as a result of information secured by the board of trustees.

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

Mr. Speaker, I hesitate to add a further note of mystification to this particular subject of the questionnaire. It is true that I indicated to the house on at least one occasion, and maybe two occasions, that I had not seen any questionnaire and, further than that, that there had been no questionnaire. I based that on information provided me by the trustees. Subsequently the board of trustees issued a press statement indicating their intention to ask the seamen a series of questions.

To my present knowledge-and I saw the trustees during the recess-no questionnaire has gone out to the seamen from the board of trustees. I base that statement on conversations I had with the three trustees in Montreal. In view of what the hon. gentleman has stated today I will make a further request and ask whether in the interim any questionnaire has gone out. I have not seen any questionnaire, but if one has gone out I will provide information.

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

What about the rest of the question? Has any information been given by the board of trustees or by the public relations firm employed by the trustees as to the identity of any of the seamen in consequence of which raiding has taken place?

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

I will be glad to ask for that information.

Inquiries of the Ministry

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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NDP

David Orlikow

New Democratic Party

Mr. David Orlikow (Winnipeg Norih):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to direct a question to the Minister of Labour. Is it the position of the government that the maritime transportation unions trustee board is a quasi judicial board, or is it an administrative board with power to act on the basis of facts and recommendations of other tribunals and bodies such as the Norris commission and the Canadian Labour Congress?

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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LIB

Allan Joseph MacEachen (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MacEachen:

Mr. Speaker, I would hesitate to give what appears to be a legal opinion on this matter. The law is there, and the trustees are operating under the law that was passed by this parliament.

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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NDP

David Orlikow

New Democratic Party

Mr. Orlikow:

A supplementary question. Are they acting under the law as they interpret it, or as this parliament interprets it?

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   MARITIME UNIONS
Sub-subtopic:   ALLEGED QUESTIONNAIRE
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EXTERNAL AFFAIRS


On the orders of the day:


NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. T. C. Douglas (Burnaby-Coquiilam):

In

view of the statement made by the foreign secretary of the United Kingdom while in Ottawa, could I ask the Prime Minister if he would give the house an assurance that no Canadian troops will be sent to Cyprus unless they are under the aegis of the United Nations? Will the right hon. gentleman also assure the house that before any such action is taken there will be full consultation in the house, and the approval of this chamber sought?

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CYPRUS-POSSIBLE CANADIAN PARTICIPATION IN PEACE KEEPING FORCE
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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Prime Minister)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. B. Pearson (Prime Minister):

In view of the hon. gentleman's question and the interest which this whole matter has aroused, perhaps I could make a short statement which would answer the question and possibly add one or two other pieces of information.

As far as sending Canadian troops to Cyprus is concerned, no decision has been taken by the government. It may be premature to speculate on the circumstances surrounding a possible Canadian contribution to a peace keeping force at a time when the whole matter is under discussion in the security council of the United Nations.

It is clear, however, that before the Canadian government would decide to provide a force for peace keeping purposes certain requirements would have to be met. First, we would have to be satisfied that the composition and terms of reference of the force were such as to contribute to peace and stability in the area. Second, we would not wish the commitment of the force to be of

indefinite duration. In addition, we would wish to ensure that the choice of a mediator and his terms of reference would be such as to lead to the expectation that a solution to the dispute in Cyprus might be found within a reasonable time. Third, the arrangements would, of course, have to be acceptable to the government of Cyprus in accordance with its constitutional procedure. Fourth, there should be an association of the force with the United Nations. Finally, if a request is made involving the use of substantial numbers of Canadians abroad, we would bring the matter before parliament before any final decision is taken.

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CYPRUS-POSSIBLE CANADIAN PARTICIPATION IN PEACE KEEPING FORCE
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NDP

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

New Democratic Party

Mr. Douglas:

Would the Prime Minister care to clarify exactly what he means by the phrase "an association with the United Nations"? Would any Canadian peace keeping force which might be sent be under the control and direction of the United Nations?

Topic:   LABOUR RELATIONS
Subtopic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   CYPRUS-POSSIBLE CANADIAN PARTICIPATION IN PEACE KEEPING FORCE
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February 19, 1964