November 27, 1963

STANDING ORDERS

CONCURRENCE IN SECOND AND THIRD REPORTS OF STANDING COMMITTEE


Mr. Robert Temple (Hastings South) presented the second and third reports of the standing committee on standing orders, and moved that the reports be concurred in. Motion agreed to.


PRIVILEGE

MR. FISHER REPORTED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE

NDP

Douglas Mason Fisher

New Democratic Party

Mr. D. M. Fisher (Port Arthur):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to raise a question of privilege. I would have preferred to do so when the Minister of Agriculture was in the house, since it involves a statement he made. I had better put on the record the statement he made, apparently in an interview, which appeared in the Edmonton Journal of Monday, November 25, 1963. This is what I take exception to, and I want to make a statement on it. He is reported as having said:

Douglas Fisher, he's a kind of odd duck.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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NDP

Douglas Mason Fisher

New Democratic Party

Mr. Fisher:

I appreciated that the Minister of Agriculture took a metaphor from his own field. Then he went on to say:

Three times he didn't have enough guts to stand up and vote.

I want to raise a question of privilege in order to put it to the house that if the Minister of Agriculture is using the term "guts" in the sense I think he is, that is, courage, I have the right to say that if I did not vote, I was in the house and it was not a question of lack of courage.

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LIB

James Allen (Jim) Byrne (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. Byrne:

What was it?

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PC

Louis-Joseph Pigeon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Pigeon:

We will auction the minister.

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MR. CAOUETTE REPORTED ULTIMATUM BY PREMIER OF QUEBEC

RA

David Réal Caouette

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Real Caouette (Villeneuve):

Mr. Speaker, as we are now on motions and in view of the national importance attached to the federal-provincial conference, I take the liberty of rising on a question of privilege and

bringing to the attention of the house the following motion:

I move, seconded by Mr. Gilles Gregoire, member for Lapointe, that this house express the wish that the requests, even the ultimatum, of the Hon. Jean Lesage, premier of Quebec, for better tax sharing as well as for participation of the provinces in the development of monetary policy in Canada, be approved to enable all provinces to be in a better position to meet their responsibilities through decentralization.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. Lionel Chevrier (Acting Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I do not feel it is in order at this time to consider either as a question of privilege or a point of order the motion moved by the hon. member, because his motion is clearly out of order.

It is out of order first because the statements made by the Prime Minister and the federal government have not been made public-except for press releases-and I am about to table those documents.

This motion is also out of order because the statements made by the premier of Quebec this morning were certainly not in the nature of an ultimatum; on the contrary, they constituted a clear account of the policy of his government.

It is completely out of order for an hon. member to introduce a motion concerning a proposal which is under consideration. As far as this motion is concerned, it is obviously out of order since the federal-provincial conference is not yet over.

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RA

Gilles Grégoire

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gilles Gregoire (Lapointe):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

I think I can handle this matter myself.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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RA

Gilles Grégoire

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Gregoire:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

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Maurice Bourget (Speaker of the Senate)

Mr. Speaker:

Order, please. My task is to find whether there is a prima facie case of privilege, and I see no point of privilege in this on at least one ground, besides many others. This is in the nature of a substantive motion which requires notice. No notice has been given under our rules; therefore on that point it is out of order. On the other point, I do not see a prima facie case of privilege; therefore I must reject it.

Question of Privilege

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MR. CAOUETTE REMARK IN DEBATE BY MEMBER FOR WINNIPEG NORTH CENTRE

RA

David Réal Caouette

Ralliement Créditiste

Mr. Real Caouelie (Villeneuve):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege. Yesterday afternoon when the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) delivered his speech, he stated, as reported on page 5415 of Hansard for yesterday:

My hon. friend from Villeneuve is interjecting. I happened to notice his name in one of these Hansard volumes, when he was here before as the hon. member for Pontiac, and I find that on one occasion he too voted against redistribution by an independent commission.

Mr. Speaker, I want to set the record straight by referring to page 697 of Hansard for February 24, 1947, when I stated, following the amendment introduced by the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre-

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November 27, 1963