February 4, 1963

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An hon. Member:

Be quiet. He will give you defence policy in a moment.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

Defence policy is a subject on which I would welcome debate with the hon. member for Essex East (Mr. Martin).

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

That would be a pleasure.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

He will perhaps recall that in the days when we were in opposition he did not participate in the defence debates of this house-

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

We had a good government in those days.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

-and I doubt very much if he will participate effectively in any debate on defence policy.

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Eldon Mattison Woolliams

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Woolliams:

I would think the scandal of Hong Kong would still be around his neck.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

You don't know what is going to be around your neck.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

The Leader of the Opposition has accused the government of lack of decision. There is no man in Canada so decisive in indecision as the Leader of the Opposition. I know of no subject which he has debated-and I have listened to him here for 12 years-with regard to which he has not been on both sides of the subject. He tries to give the appearance of boldness. He talks about boldness. It is the boldness of a rabbit. He talks about action, "Let us have action". The action that he shows is action in retreat. That is what happened today; he dodged the issue; he retreated and evaded the topic that he was so keen to discuss the other day. He has suggested that there is confusion and indecision in dealing with the business of the house, and I have been waiting for several sessions to deal with this subject-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

This is the first opportunity I have had to deal with the organization of the business of the house, despite the criticisms session after session about the business of the house, and I would suggest to some hon. members opposite that I will publicly expose them if they are not very careful-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

-because if they talk to me-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

-because if they talk to me about changing the order of business of the house I will indicate to the house the people from the various parties who have come to me and asked me to set aside certain pieces of business because they were going to be away the next day.

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Some hon. Members:

Shame.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

I have accommodated them on almost every occasion, because that is one of the amenities of parliamentary life.

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February 4, 1963