January 29, 1963

PRIVILEGE

MR. KNOWLES REFUSAL OF PERMISSION TO ATTEND WITH DELEGATION

NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege. There appeared in this building this morning a delegation headed by the government of my province of Manitoba, with which were associated other organizations representing the citizens of my province. As a citizen of Manitoba and as a representative of hundreds of people affected by the matter concerning which this delegation came to Ottawa, I wished to associate myself with it, but I was barred from entry to the room where this delegation was making its presentation. In addition I know that the hon. member for Winnipeg North (Mr. Orlikow), the hon. member for Winnipeg South (Mr. Chown), the hon. member for St. Boniface (Mr. Teillet) and perhaps others were also barred. I protest against this action.

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Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. KNOWLES REFUSAL OF PERMISSION TO ATTEND WITH DELEGATION
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LIB

Roger-Joseph Teillet

Liberal

Mr. R. J. Teillet (St. Boniface):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to support that protest.

It seems to me that, in such a case, where an important delegation from Manitoba came here this morning and submitted a brief to the ministers of the crown, without the elected representatives of Manitoba being given the opportunity to be present and to assist that delegation, it is fitting that I join with the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) in protesting against such an action.

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gordon Churchill (Minisier of Veierans Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, the delegation led by the cabinet minister from Manitoba and supported by representatives from a great many organized bodies in Manitoba appeared this morning to present, to representatives of the cabinet, a brief on behalf of persons concerned with the problem connected with T.C.A. in the province of Manitoba.

This is only one of hundreds of delegations that have appeared here over the years to

make presentations to the cabinet, or to representatives of the cabinet, and the custom and practice has always been to hold these meetings in camera.

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

That is not true.

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

In this particular instance the Manitoba members were notified that if they would appear at 11 o'clock they would have an opportunity to meet with the delegation. They accepted the invitation; they did appear, and I was there at the time they were present.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. KNOWLES REFUSAL OF PERMISSION TO ATTEND WITH DELEGATION
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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on another question of privilege.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. KNOWLES REFUSAL OF PERMISSION TO ATTEND WITH DELEGATION
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PC

Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

We must first of all deal with the first one. Somehow I do not feel this is a true question of privilege. It may be a matter of grievance, but I do not feel it is a question of privilege affecting hon. members in the house. If the hon. member on some other occasion wishes to raise a question of grievance, the choice is his.

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Subtopic:   MR. KNOWLES REFUSAL OF PERMISSION TO ATTEND WITH DELEGATION
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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on another question of privilege. It has been stated that the Manitoba members were invited to a meeting at eleven o'clock and that those of us who wished to do so attended that meeting. This is true; but this invitation was not extended to us until after we had been debarred from the other meeting.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. KNOWLES REFUSAL OF PERMISSION TO ATTEND WITH DELEGATION
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PC

Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. This also is not a question of privilege but just a dispute as to facts, which does not give rise to a question of privilege within the sense of privilege as it is applied in this house.

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NATIONAL DEFENCE

NUCLEAR WEAPONS


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Hon. L. B. Pearson (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask the Prime Minister whether, in view of exchanges in the house yesterday and statements which have appeared, he wishes to make a statement to the house now on reported differences between himself and the Minister of National Defence on vital aspects of defence policy.

Inquiries of the Ministry

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Subtopic:   NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Sub-subtopic:   DIFFERENCES IN REGARD TO GOVERNMENT POLICY
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I have nothing to add to what I said yesterday.

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Subtopic:   NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Sub-subtopic:   DIFFERENCES IN REGARD TO GOVERNMENT POLICY
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Martin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, may I ask a supplementary question of the Minister of National Defence-

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Subtopic:   NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Sub-subtopic:   DIFFERENCES IN REGARD TO GOVERNMENT POLICY
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?

Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Subtopic:   NUCLEAR WEAPONS
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PC

Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I should like to hear the supplementary question. There was some static in the chamber.

Topic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Sub-subtopic:   DIFFERENCES IN REGARD TO GOVERNMENT POLICY
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Would the minister indicate to the house, with regard to the negotiations mentioned in the third paragraph of his so-called statement of clarification released to the press yesterday, whether the negotiations are being carried on by officials in the Department of National Defence, by officials in the Department of External Affairs, or by officials in both departments.

Topic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Subtopic:   NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Sub-subtopic:   DIFFERENCES IN REGARD TO GOVERNMENT POLICY
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January 29, 1963