December 13, 1962

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Peters:

Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member would care to make his request for precedence apply to the next sitting, I have no objection. But I think there is a responsibility to see that those who are concerned with these matters are aware of any changes. If we do not do it in the way of giving precedence at the next sitting, then there may be some hon. members who are unaware that this is the way we are proceeding.

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Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I take it the hon. member for Timiskaming objects? He withholds unanimous consent?

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PC

Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member withholds unanimous consent to this item having precedence?

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William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Peters:

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make it very clear that if the hon. member now asks for unanimous consent to his bill being given precedence the next time these matters are up for discussion, we would be quite happy to agree to it.

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PC

Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Therefore it is agreed that the hon. member for Mount Royal is seeking

precedence for next Tuesday for his bill, item No. 10. Is the hon. member for Trinity (Mr. Hellyer) making a similar request?

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LIB

Paul Theodore Hellyer

Liberal

Mr. Hellyer:

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would request the same privilege.

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PC

Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

It is item No. 407, an act respecting the Imperial Life Assurance Company of Canada. Are there any similar requests at this time? Very well, those two items, with the consent of the house, will be given precedence on Tuesday next.

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MADELEINE-FRANC OISE HANKOWSKI

PC

J. Nicholas (Nick) Mandziuk

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nicholas Mandziuk (Marquette):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask the consent of the house to deal with the first nine items on the order paper en bloc. They are all bills for consideration in committee which have been passed by the other place and have been considered in our miscellaneous private bills committee. To save the time of the committee I would beg leave of the house to having them treated en bloc because the list of divorce bills from the Senate is growing and growing. We have over 400 items on the order paper right now. That is the only reason for asking that they be treated en bloc.

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Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member's proposal is that items 1 to 9 be referred to the committee of the whole as one group and considered by the committee in that way. Is that agreeable to the house?

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William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Peters:

Mr. Speaker, I would object to that procedure. I have some remarks to make on the first one and I would certainly hope that the hon. member is not suggesting they are all as bad as the first one may be.

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Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member is suggesting that items 1 to 9 be referred to the committee of the whole. When the Speaker has left the chair and the chairman has assumed the chair he will recognize any hon. member who may wish to speak.

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William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Peters:

No, there is not unanimous consent.

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Marcel Joseph Aimé Lambert (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

In other words, the hon. member objects to this course being followed. Then item No. 1 only will be dealt with.

The house in committee on Bill No. SD-1, for the relief of Madeleine-Francoise Hankowski-Mr. Mandziuk-Mr. Paul in the chair.

On clause 1-Marriage dissolved.

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William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Peters:

Mr. Chairman, this is one of the first bills to pass both courts of this parliament, and it is of interest because in this

Divorce Bills

case we have the right of a double examination, which the house is being asked to consider in another bill that is now before it, and to eliminate part of the protection that is now given. I think this should be borne in mind when we are discussing this particular case. It should also be borne in mind that the Senate has heard this case and the miscellaneous private bills committee has heard it. These bills were not given any consideration in the miscellaneous private bills committee, as far as I know; they were taken en bloc. Therefore I think a discussion on this bill will indicate that this is not an acceptable practice, and also that the other place is not sufficiently capable or trained to handle these particular bills.

In this case Madeleine-Francoise Hankowski is asking for a divorce from her husband Jan Paul Hankowski. There are several things involved here that are a disgrace to Canada, certainly a disgrace to this type of procedure and certainly a disgrace to at least one of the lawyers in it. After you hear the evidence, Mr. Chairman, we will ask that this lawyer be disbarred. The people who heard this case were not unaware of points of law. They were Senators Bradley, Q.C.-if it means anything, and in this case it does not -Burchill, Cameron and Gershaw. These gentlemen heard this case in the other place.

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Robert Jardine McCleave (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McCleave:

Mr. Chairman, on a point of order-

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December 13, 1962