December 10, 1962

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES. 1962-63


A message from His Excellency the Governor General transmitting supplementary estimates for the financial year ending March 31, 1963, was presented by Hon. George C. Nowlan (Minister of Finance), read by Mr. Speaker to the house, and referred to the committee of supply.


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ANNOUNCEMENT OF IMMEDIATE IMPLEMENTATION OF SALARY REVISIONS

PC

George Clyde Nowlan (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. George C. Nowlan (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, in further reference to the motion I have just made I should like to make a brief statement. After careful consideration the government has approved the recommendations of the treasury board that salary revisions be implemented at once for the employees comprising the second, third and fourth groups in the cyclical salary review program, and that wage adjustments for prevailing rate employees, consideration of which has been deferred for some months, be also put into effect as soon as the paying authorities can make the necessary arrangements.

In accordance with the principles underlying the cyclical salary review policy, the revisions will be effective from the dates as of which the pay research bureau collected the data on which they are based, that is to say:

(a) In the case of the clerical, administrative, accounting and professional support group, October 1, 1961;

(b) in the case of the hospital group, January 1, 1962;

(c) in the case of the penitentiary and police group, April 1, 1962. The prevailing rate wage adjustments will be effective from the dates recommended by the Department of Labour in each case.

Provision has not been made for the increased expenditure involved in the government's decision in the fiscal year 1962-63 in the estimates which have been tabled in the House of Commons and, consequently, a supplementary estimate in the amount of $30 million to augment the general salaries vote,

from which funds will be allotted to departmental votes, has just been tabled. Some 60,000 employees will be receiving increases as a result of action on the three cyclical groups. The number of prevailing rate employees who will receive wage adjustments cannot readily be calculated accurately, but it is estimated at between 5,000 and 6,000.

Consistently with the cyclical salary review policy, statistics are presently being collected by the pay research bureau on which revisions for the fifth group in the cycle will be based. This group embraces the postal, customs and immigration classes, the crafts, building custodial and maintenance classes, and a large number of other classes which were not included in the first four groups. When the civil service commission has considered the data bearing on this fifth group, it will make recommendations for revisions to the government to be effective as of October 1, 1962.

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Hon. L. B. Pearson (Leader of ihe Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I think members of the house will have been pleased to hear the minister's announcement regarding pay increases for the civil service although they will not be surprised, because this announcement apparently has already been made outside the house in the columns of the press, indeed before the civil service organization officers, according to reports, had been informed of it.

We on this side of the house, while welcoming the minister's announcement, cannot help but recall that the original pay freeze instituted by the government, which was imposed without following the procedure laid down under section 7 of the Civil Service Act, was in our view unjustified because at that time it forced civil servants to make a contribution to the government's austerity program, which no other occupations were being asked to undertake. The government, having taken that step, is now at this date making what I assume are amends for an action which should not have been taken in the first place.

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Robert Norman Thompson

Social Credit

Mr. R. N. Thompson (Red Deer):

Mr. Speaker, on behalf of members of our party I express satisfaction in the fact that the government has faced up to its responsibility before the end of the year, just prior to the Christmas season. Omitting any political overtones or trying to lay accusations for what

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should have been done before, we just express our satisfaction that it has been done now. We trust that in the consideration the government is making to correct this situation it will not forget the sessional staff during the Christmas season.

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, this party welcomes the announcement that the Minister of Finance has made. We rejoice with all those who will benefit from the increases now to be put into effect and to be made retroactive, and I join with the hon. member for Red Deer in expressing the hope that early action will be taken to make provision for increases for members of the House of Commons staff, who I believe are not covered by the announcement made today by the Minister of Finance.

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An hon. Member:

How about the members?

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

We are supposed to be able to look after ourselves.

Despite our welcoming this announcement, and despite the remark made by the hon. member for Red Deer, I think it is appropriate to urge that there be as little delay as possible so far as the fifth group of employees is concerned. In fact I am quite disappointed to learn that postal, customs and other employees are not included in the announcement made today.

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PC

George Clyde Nowlan (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nowlan:

They could not be.

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NDP

Stanley Howard Knowles (N.D.P. House Leader; Whip of the N.D.P.)

New Democratic Party

Mr. Knowles:

I hope that at some point very soon the minister will make it clear that they will be covered. I want also to say that we shall have to wait until we see the details to learn whether our approval is without qualification, because I noticed the minister said that the government is putting into effect the recommendation of treasury board. A great deal has been made by this government of its new Civil Service Act, about the consultation between civil servants and the civil service commission. My understanding is that the civil service commission made certain recommendations but that the recommendations of treasury board are not necessarily those of the civil service commission. If that is the case, if our employees are being given less than the civil service commission has recommended, I think this is most unfortunate. As a matter of fact this raises the whole question as to whether the kind of consultation to be had at the present time is sufficient.

Nevertheless we welcome this announcement; we are glad that it goes as far as it does. We hope that further improvements will be made in the position of the civil

service both so far as their wages are concerned and in their relations with the government at the earliest possible date.

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AMENDMENT OF U.N. RESOLUTION FOR WORLD CONFERENCE


On the orders of the day:


PC

Howard Charles Green (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Howard C. Green (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, on November 16 I answered a question in the house concerning a resolution adopted in the second, which is the economic, committee of the United Nations general assembly calling for a United Nations conference on trade and development. There were serious difficulties at that time over the timing of the conference, and hon. members will recall that in the committee Canada supported the majority vote in favour of that resolution but major trading nations, including the United States, Britain, Japan and some of the important European economic community countries, voted against it. Twenty three countries abstained. Since it was essential that the major trading nations participate in the United Nations conference if it was to be of practical benefit to developing countries, the Canadian delegation with other delegations has worked strenuously during the past three weeks in an endeavour to resolve the differences about the timing of the conference.

I am pleased to be able to inform the house that on Saturday last at a plenary meeting of the United Nations an amendment to the resolution sponsored by Canada and Peru was accepted and led to the virtually unanimous adoption of the revised resolution by the general assembly. The voting was 91 in favour, none against, and one abstention. The text as approved now commands the support of Britain, the United States, Japan, the common market countries and the 23 countries which abstained in committee.

The original resolution recommended to the economic and social council that it convene the conference not later than September, 1963. The resolution as now adopted recommends to the economic and social council that it convene, after consideration of preparatory work, a United Nations conference on trade and development as soon as possible after the 36th session of ECOSOC, which is July, 1963, but in no event later than early 1964, taking into account the view expressed by a large number of delegations that the conference should be convened not later than September, 1963 as well as the view of other delegations that the conference be held in July, 1964.

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I emphasize that this United Nations conference on trade and development is fully consistent with the Prime Minister's proposal in London which has resulted in the calling of an early meeting of GATT ministers. The GATT ministerial meeting will have as its primary purpose the laying of a foundation for a new round of tariff negotiations and for the reduction of other barriers between the members of GATT. These negotiations would aim at expanding opportunities for world trade and would take advantage of new far-reaching tariff negotiating authority of the United States. The GATT efforts to find solutions to many of the same problems which would be considered in the wider forum of the United Nations will complement and support the broader effort. The importance and urgency of these problems, particularly as they relate to trading interests of developing countries, are such as to require their continued attention in the United Nations, GATT and in other international forums concerned with world trade. Far from there being any conflict between GATT initiatives and the United Nations conference, the Canadian government hopes the two approaches will reinforce each other and thereby increase the prospect for early solutions to the problems of world trade.

We are hopeful that this conference, after careful preparation, will be a working conference from which will emerge positive proposals for concrete solutions for the expansion of trade, particularly for the developing countries. It has not been easy to bring about this compromise in the United Nations and I should like to pay special tribute to Senator F. M. Blois and, of course, the other members of the Canadian delegation for their efforts which have resulted in the adoption of this resolution practically on a unanimous basis.

On the orders of the day:

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LIB

Donald Stovel Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. D. S. Macdonald (Rosedale):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to address a question to the Secretary of State for External Affairs arising out of his statement to the house at the commencement of today's session. Can the minister advise the house whether under the terms of the United Nations resolution the trade conference will concern itself with the negotiation of international commodity agreements as well as with the multilateral reduction of trade barriers?

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PC

Howard Charles Green (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Howard C. Green (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that it covers the whole broad field of trade.

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NDP

Harold Edward Winch

New Democratic Party

Mr. Harold E. Winch (Vancouver East):

wish to direct a question to the Secretary of State for External Affairs. In view of his statement made just a little while ago on the resolution adopted at the United Nations relative to a trade conference to be held in the spring of 1964, will the minister inform the house of his position and the stand taken by Canada with regard to the proposal that countries other than United Nations members should be invited to attend in order to work toward a world trade agreement?

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PC

Howard Charles Green (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Mr. Speaker, I believe there was some amendment to this effect introduced by the Soviet union or one of the other communist countries, and it was defeated. Canada voted against it.

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December 10, 1962