April 17, 1962

LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Mr. Chairman, on a point of order.

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

Mr. Chairman, hon. members opposite are engaging in a time killing manoeuvre to prevent free speech in this house.

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Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

Order. I cannot hear more than one hon. member at a time. I understand the hon. member for Skeena has risen on a question of privilege.

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LIB

Charles Benjamin Howard

Liberal

Mr. Howard:

Yes, Mr. Chairman. In accordance with the right provided by the rules, I move that the hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam be now heard.

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PC

Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

Moved by Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Herridge-

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An hon. Member:

This is Liberal closure.

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PC

Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

-that the hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam be now heard. All those in favour of the motion will please rise.

Ways and Means

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinlon):

Liberal closure.

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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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An hon. Member:

Impersonation.

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LIB
LIB

Jean-Paul Deschatelets

Liberal

Mr. Deschalelels:

The committee is ever now.

Motion (Mr. Howard) negatived: Yeas, 35; nays, 49.

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PC

Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

I declare the motion lost.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Mr. Chairman, I rise on a point of order.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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PC

Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

Order. I will hear the hon. member for Laurier on a point of order.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

My point of order is that after the vote was called and while it was being taken the Postmaster General came in. That is contrary to the rules of the house. He should therefore not have voted and his vote should not be counted.

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William McLean Hamilton (Postmaster General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton (Notre Dame de Grace):

Mr. Chairman, I was just seeking simple words that the opposition could understand, and trying to simply phrase them. Certainly I came in after the vote was called. However, as the hon. member knows perfectly well, this rule applies only when the Speaker is in the chair.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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PC

William McLean Hamilton (Postmaster General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton (Notre Dame de Grace):

When the house is in committee an hon. member may come in at any time-

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April 17, 1962