April 17, 1962

PC

Grant Campbell

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Campbell (Stormont):

Will the Leader

of the Opposition answer my question?

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Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

Order. The Leader of the Opposition has not yielded the floor.

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

In closing I think I can do no better as this parliament comes to its untidy end, than to quote Oliver Cromwell. Unlike the doughty editor of the Ottawa Journal, who perhaps does not know his Cromwell as well as he knows his Burke and Meighen, I shall quote the whole passage.

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David James Walker (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation; Minister responsible for National Capital Commission)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Walker:

This is your valedictory.

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

This is what Cromwell said about a parliament, and it could be applied to the Conservative members of this parliament as it comes to its unlamented end:

You have sat there too long for the little good that you do. It is time to make way for better men. In the name of God-go.

Mr. Chairman, it is time for this government to make way for a better one.

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

Mr. Chairman-

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, the hon. member for Burnaby-Coquitlam surely must have had your eye before the Minister of Finance.

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Some hon. Members:

Sit down.

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An hon. Member:

You can't take it, eh?

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Marlin (Essex East):

Under our rules it is understood that the parties are given a fair opportunity to present their side of the case. The Minister of Finance had over two hours when he presented his budget. Following him there was the Leader of the Opposition. To deny the hon. gentleman who stands immediately to your left the opportunity of speaking would be a violation of the rights of hon. members of this house.

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Some hon. Members:

Hear, hear.

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PC

Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

Order. The hon. member for Essex East has raised a point of order and I will hear the hon. minister on the point of order.

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

Mr. Chairman, we are in committee of ways and means. I have not spoken in this committee.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

The last speaker was from the opposition. I now claim the right to use the five and a half minutes that remain to make some reply.

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April 17, 1962