April 12, 1962

NDP

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

New Democratic Party

Mr. Herridge:

-because it is obvious that the government is unwilling to proceed with a debate on the Columbia because the water resources branch, as I have been told a number of times, has not got the answer.

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

Mr. Chairman, that is utterly untrue. If the hon. member will co-operate in the business called we will go back to item 729 when these other items are disposed of. You have made a decision, as I understand it, that item 730 is before the committee, and I trust we can proceed with our business.

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Mr. Chairman, may I ask the minister whether he is giving us an assurance that we will now continue right through the supplementary estimates and there will be no further alteration in the order of business; that we will go right through the supplementary estimates until they are completed?

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PC

John Ferguson Browne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Browne (Vancouver-Kingsway):

Mr. Chairman, we have now reached a position where we know that the Leader of the Opposition and the hon. member for Bonavista-Twillingate feel they should be running this country with or without the consent of the voters. They have done that before in this house, and we know what happened. That is what they are doing right now.

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

I ask the minister, that is all.

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PC

Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

Order. The first point has now been ruled on, and the committee is engaged in the discussion of item 730.

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NDP

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

New Democratic Party

Mr. Herridge:

Mr. Chairman, I wish to appeal your ruling.

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PC

John Andrew W. Drysdale

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drysdale:

More wasted time.

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

You should have been around in 1956.

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PC

Richard Albert Bell (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Bell (Carleton):

Constant squabbling and bickering.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Tearing the page out of Hansard.

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PC

John Andrew W. Drysdale

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drysdale:

There were only four Liberals on Friday talking it out.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Co-operation with arrogance.

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PC

John Andrew W. Drysdale

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drysdale:

Opposition filibuster. They hate to see government progress.

Division

Mr. Pallet!: They hate to face the facts, that is their problem.

Mr. Speaker resumed the chair and the chairman of the committee made the following report:

In committee of supply when vote No. 730 of the further supplementary estimates (4) 1961-62

was called for consideration, a point of order was raised to the effect that as vote No. 729 was under consideration at the termination of the committee's last sitting, it was irregular to proceed with vote No. 730.

The chairman ruled that in accordance with section 2 of standing order 18 and May's sixteenth edition, page 731, the government could call its business in such order as it deemed expedient without regard to any proceeding in a prior sitting of the committee. Whereupon the hon. member for Kootenay West appealed to the house from the decision of the Chair.

Mr. Speaker put the question as follows:

The question before the house is an appeal from a ruling given by the chairman of the committee of supply.

In committee of supply when vote No. 730 of the further supplementary estimates (4) 1961-62 was

called for consideration a point of order was raised to the effect that as vote No. 729 was under consideration at the termination of the committee's last sitting, it was irregular to proceed with vote No. 730.

The chairman ruled that, in accordance with section 2 of standing order 18 and May's sixteenth edition, page 731, the government could call its business in such order as it deemed expedient without regard to any proceeding in a prior sitting of the committee. Whereupon the hon. member for Kootenay West appealed to the house from the decision of the Chair.

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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I declare the ruling confirmed.

And the house having resumed in committee:

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DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES

PC

Paul Raymond Martineau (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

The Chairman:

Shall item 730 carry?

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Item agreed to. Welfare and industrial divisions- 731. Administration, operation and maintenance- further amount required, $202,000.


LIB

Charles Ronald McKay Granger

Liberal

Mr. Granger:

I should like to refer briefly to the matter of assistance to Eskimos in Labrador. In 1954, I believe it was, a grant was made by the federal government to assist in various projects for Eskimos and Indians in Labrador. Eskimos generally throughout Canada are looked upon as being a federal responsibility. When Newfoundland entered confederation it was agreed that Eskimo affairs would be administered through the government of the province. Subsequently it was agreed that a substantial sum-some $200,000, I believe-would be granted by the federal government toward assistance to Eskimos in Labrador. The province administers Eskimo affairs. In addition to what the province may spend, the federal government agreed to make its own contribution. As I said, the contribution was to be made to the government for the benefit of these Eskimos.

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinlon):

I think I should point out to the hon. member that there is in this item nothing that has anything at all to do with the Eskimos in Labrador. His remarks are not related to this item or to anything in this item.

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April 12, 1962