April 12, 1962

PC

Noël Dorion (President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Noel Dorion (Secretary of State):

Mr. Speaker, in 1945 I had not yet entered the field of federal politics, f Text) *

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CANADA GRAIN ACT

AMENDMENTS RESPECTING MUSTARD SEED AND RAPESEED

PC

Francis Alvin George Hamilton (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Alvin Hamilton (Minister of Agriculture) moved

the third reading of Bill No. S-19, to amend the Canada Grain Act.

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NDP

William Arnold Peters

New Democratic Party

Mr. Arnold Peters (Timiskaming):

I should like to ask the Minister of Trade and Commerce or the Minister of Agriculture whether any consideration has been given to the matter we raised yesterday. I refer to an apparent conflict between the terms of the Canada Grain Act, which is now being changed to include mustard seed and rape-seed, and the provincial laws relating to noxious weeds. Many of the provinces consider that mustard falls into this category. I was wondering whether any consideration has been given since yesterday to this particular matter and whether some protection can be given in the matter of differentiation in the new Canada Grain Act and the provincial acts-I refer to differentiation in the matter of mustard seed-which also class this as a weed.

Topic:   CANADA GRAIN ACT
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PC

Francis Alvin George Hamilton (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton (Qu'Appelle):

Mr. Speaker, I assume that if I speak I will close the debate. Is that the situation?

Supply-Northern Affairs

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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

No. As to whether the minister has a right to speak, by leave of the house he might answer the question.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

I think we wish to preserve the rules of the house. I do not wish to prevent the minister from speaking. However, it should be done only by unanimous consent. By moving third reading the minister has exhausted his right to speak. Your Honour, of course, has often made that decision. However, I should hope there would be unanimous consent to allow him to reply.

Topic:   CANADA GRAIN ACT
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Is it agreed that the minister may answer the question without closing the debate?

Topic:   CANADA GRAIN ACT
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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

Topic:   CANADA GRAIN ACT
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PC

Francis Alvin George Hamilton (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton (Qu'Appelle):

The question asked by the hon. member for Timiskaming is one to which it is extremely difficult to give a precise answer. There has been a great deal of discussion in the western provinces as to a clear distinction between the various types of mustard seed. In some provinces they are considered noxious and in others they are a crop. As I understand the situation, mustard is grown for commercial purposes. It is clearly defined in the Canada Grain Act and in the new regulations. It is different from the mustard that is commonly known in western Canada as a noxious weed.

I do not foresee any great difficulty in putting this in the Canada Grain Act. However, I will speak to the board of grain commissioners about this matter to ascertain if they will carry on discussions with the three governments in western Canada in order to see whether anything can be done to make this matter any clearer than it is today.

Topic:   CANADA GRAIN ACT
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Is the house ready for the question?

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Some hon. Members:

Question.

Motion agreed to and bill read the third time and passed.

The house in committee of supply, Mr. Martineau in the chair.

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DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES


Northern administration branch-education division-* 730. Administration, operation and maintenance- further amount required, $200,000.


LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I rise on a question of privilege, Mr. Chairman, and it is this. We were not on this item when the estimates were last discussed in this chamber. As a matter of fact we were on item 729. While we on

Supply-Northern Affairs this side of the chamber welcome the decision of the government to deal with supplementary estimates, in the light of what has taken place I think I should review briefly what has happened outside the House of Commons and here in the House of Commons concerning the manner in which the estimates have been brought before us. On Friday, March 23-

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinion):

Mr. Chairman, you called item 730. The hon. member wishes now to precipitate a debate on broader questions. There can be such a debate if it is sought. However, it is not proper to have it in this committee on item 730.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I am not attempting to precipitate a debate, Mr. Chairman. I was rising on a question of privilege, as I have a right to do. When we were last on these estimates we dealt with item 729 and we did not pass it. We are therefore still on item 729 unless and until the government gives some indication of a change. The government has given that indication, but it gave it a very short time ago. That is the matter that I suggest is a question of privilege. I wish to make a statement and I do not wish to enter into a debate. I think I have a perfect right so to do. My statement is this-

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinion):

On this question of order-

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

It is not a question of order; it is a question of privilege.

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April 12, 1962