April 12, 1962

LIB

Augustin Brassard

Liberal

Mr. Brassard (Lapointe):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to ask the Secretary of State if his department still has the flag design proposed by the Prime Minister-

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I did not consider that the question was a proper one to be asked on orders of the day, and I believe it was not answered.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

It was allowed to be asked, Mr. Speaker. That is the point. Mr. Speaker: Orders of the day.

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LIB

Augustin Brassard

Liberal

Mr. Brassard (Lapointe):

Mr. Speaker, may I please direct a supplementary question to the Secretary of State?

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

May I inquire whether the Secretary of State answered the question?

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Noël Dorion (President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Noel Dorion (Secretary of Stale):

No, Mr. Speaker.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I had not allowed the question. If the hon. member has a question that is his own I would be glad to hear him, but I will not entertain a supplementary question to a question that I did not consider to be in order.

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Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Lionel Chevrier (Laurier):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege. The first question was allowed; it is now on the record. While the Secretary of State did not rise to reply to it, surely the hon. member for Lapointe has the right to ask a similar or a supplementary question, since the other question was not ruled out of order.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I am sorry that I cannot agree with the hon. member. If the question was such as to raise the privileges of the house or of the hon. member or a point of order, then the hon. member should address himself to the Chair; but if no such point is involved in the question I consider that a supplementary question to a question that is not in order would also not be in order.

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LIB

Augustin Brassard

Liberal

Mr. Brassard (Lapointe):

Then, Mr. Speaker, I do not have a supplementary question to ask of the Secretary of State; I simply have a question to ask of him.

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LIB

Augustin Brassard

Liberal

Mr. Brassard (Lapointe):

We have a

Speaker here in the house.

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Augustin Brassard

Liberal

Mr. Brassard (Lapointe):

Mr. Speaker, I just wish to ask the Secretary of State if he has received the flag design proposed, in 1945, by the Prime Minister of Canada?

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The question is of the same category as the question to which it was supplementary.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

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Some hon. Members:

Two-flag Jack. (Translation):

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An hon. Member:

Two flags.

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Hon. J. W. Pickersgill (Bonavisia-Twil-lingale):

If I correctly apprehended the question it was of an entirely different order. It asked the Secretary of State whether he had received the design of a certain flag. It has been the custom over the years for the secretary of state to receive the designs which are sent to the government from time to time, and to file them in his department. I know this because I was once secretary of state. It therefore seems to me the question comes within the accepted ambit of the functions of the Secretary of State.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Perhaps the hon. member has a point. What design was it that the question related to?

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LIB

Augustin Brassard

Liberal

Mr. Brassard (Lapointe):

Mr. Speaker, all those who have read the minutes of proceedings of the committee entrusted with the study of the various flag designs in 1945 know it very well. I put again the question to the Secretary of State. In 1945 the hon. member who is now the Prime Minister of Canada (Mr. Diefenbaker) suggested a national flag, which was in no way of a distinctive nature. I want to ask him if he has this flag design in his flies.

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April 12, 1962