March 22, 1962

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

I am sure Your Honour will assist me by not allowing the hon. member to interrupt.

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Mr. Speaker, the minister is seeking to put words in my mouth.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

The hon. member raises a question of privilege. Of course, if there is one, it is his duty to raise it when it arises.

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

My question of privilege is this, Mr. Speaker. In this very restricted debate the minister is putting into my mouth words which I did not use at all. I based my whole argument on the Prime Minister's statement that the previous government had

Economic Forecast for Current Year concealed this document and that it should have been published by the previous government at the time. Let the minister answer that.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The hon. member is rising really to explain a misinterpretation, which he may do at the conclusion of the remarks of the minister. It is not a question of privilege that arises in the course of debate.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

Mr. Speaker, if I am guilty of an error in saying that the hon. member shared those views I think the place he should ask the correction to be made is of the hon. member for Essex East, because he was the one who indicated that he and his friend the hon. member for Bonavista-Twil-lingate both took this view.

The point, however, is this. At least one of those hon. gentlemen, a leading member of the opposition party, has stated in the course of his remarks that in their view this was a wrong thing to do, that it was a wrong practice.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

That is not the

position you took.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

What are they now asking to do except that, by this motion, one mistake should become the practice? Could anything be more cynical than that?

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

What the Prime Minister did was much more cynical.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

In the view of hon. members opposite this was a bad thing. It should not have been done when it was done. Now they want to make it a practice in this house. They want to perpetuate a mistake. When I say "they" I refer to hon. gentlemen opposite. That is what they are asking this house to do. Well, sir, this house and the country learned the danger of perpetuating mistakes back in 1957 and they put the Liberals over there on the other side of the house so that mistakes would not be perpetuated any longer.

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

You are concealing a document the Prime Minister accused us of concealing. That is what you were doing.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

Let me make it clear again, that I am discussing their view when I say it is submitted it was a mistake.

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

How about discussing the Prime Minister's view?

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

We, of course, as I said earlier, did not say it was a mistake under the circumstances under which it was done.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Let us have the reports, then.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

The difference between that circumstance and this is that when the other document was tabled it was tabled many months after it was published.

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

And we were accused of hiding it.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

The report was tabled many months after it was first made.

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Frank Charles McGee

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McGee:

I rise on a point of order, Mr. Speaker. We have just witnessed again these two arrogant gentlemen sprawling in their seats interrupting freely and at will the hon. member who has the floor. Surely that is contrary to the rules of the house.

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Louis-Joseph Pigeon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Pigeon:

That is right.

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March 22, 1962