March 22, 1962

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

My point of order is this. I think perhaps Your Honour will find I am rather more perceptive than the hon. member for Winnipeg South Centre was because the Minister of Justice got up and started to talk about the tactics used by hon. members. I was severely restricted by Your

Honour in the kind of argument I could use and it was even suggested that I could not identify the documents.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

You didn't.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Surely it is not germane to a discussion of this motion for an hon. member, above all the Minister of Justice, to get up and in his first phrase start imputing motives to other hon. members who are exercising their rights in the house.

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Gage Workman Montgomery

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Montgomery:

Exactly what are you

doing now?

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

That is my point of order and it seems to me the hon. gentleman should be restricted.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I cannot see anything derogatory in an hon. member saying of another hon. gentleman that in carrying on the debate he has tactics. It seems to me that imputes nothing immoral.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

Mr. Speaker, I am convinced that my hon. friends would have been very angry with me indeed if I were to have said that they were completely without tactics, as devoid of tactics as they are of common sense, in bringing on this motion. That would really have annoyed them. I have not imputed motives. I will leave the analysis and conclusion as to motives to others when the facts are fully exposed and placed before them. Because I fully recognize and appreciate the rules of the house with regard to the imputation of motives I do not intend to impute motives.

I believe we are entitled to look at the situation which by their very words the members of the opposition have asked us to create in this house in bringing forward this motion.

For the moment may I leave aside altogether the question of whether there exists such a document as is asked for. It seems to me the statement of the Minister of Trade and Commerce has disposed of the motion itself and certainly should have disposed of the argument long ago when he said there is no such document that can be produced. Hon. members opposite insist that there is one. Somewhere, they feel sure, there should be such a document, that there must be one.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

There certainly should be.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

If there is, what is it? What would it be? It would be the latest written economic report made to the Minister of Trade and Commerce.

Hon. members of the house including Your Honour heard what was said by the hon. member for Essex East just a moment ago. As I understood him he included the hon. member for Bonavista-Twillingate in his 26207-1-133}

Economic Forecast for Current Year reference and indicated that that hon. member shared the same view; that is, as he said, that it was a mistake, and that it was an undesirable thing that such a document should be tabled. That is their view.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Marlin (Essex East):

That is the view we have always taken.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

It is their view that the document in question should not have been tabled back in 1959 when it was tabled in this house.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

Hon. gentlemen opposite said it was a mistake and went on to use adjectives-I do not recall them all-indicating that they took a very poor view of that development. The hon. member went on to say that this represented a bad practice. Of course, we do not share their view with regard to the tabling of the document at that time under the circumstances in which it was tabled. It will be recalled that it was no longer current. I think the document at that time was approximately a year and three months or a year and six months old-

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Nine months.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

It was stated that it was our view that the document was no longer current and that the confidential nature of it which argued against its tabling when the report was first made no longer applied. But my hon. friends opposite do not accept that view. They say that that was a bad thing to have done.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

What are they now asking this house to do?

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

I rise on a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

Really, Mr. Speaker-

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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

A question of privilege, Your Honour.

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March 22, 1962