March 16, 1962

SAINT PATRICK'S DAY

MR. MCGRATH-GREETINGS TO MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE

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James Aloysius McGrath

Progressive Conservative

Mr. J. A. McGrath (St. John's East):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege to ask the house to bear with me while I move the clock ahead 24 hours to wish you, Mr. Speaker, on behalf of all Irishmen in this house the top of the morning.

May I also on this, the eve of the feast day of the great patron saint of Ireland, on behalf of all Canadians and particularly on behalf of Irish Canadians, avail myself of the opportunity to raise the old Gaelic cry "Erin go bragh".

Topic:   SAINT PATRICK'S DAY
Subtopic:   MR. MCGRATH-GREETINGS TO MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
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Herbert Wilfred Herridge

New Democratic Party

Mr. H. W. Herridge (Kootenay West):

Mr. Speaker, in view of the remarks of the hon. member for St. John's East, I should like to say that members of this group for years have urged that fast time be established on a national basis but, of course, we trust that it will apply to all groups in Canada when it is established. However, we approve his supporting this principle openly in this house at this time. We also join with him in his recognition of March 17 as a great day for many of our Canadian citizens.

Topic:   SAINT PATRICK'S DAY
Subtopic:   MR. MCGRATH-GREETINGS TO MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I take it that it has been unanimously agreed that we move the clock ahead 24 hours. I am not sure what effect that course will have on today's proceedings.

Topic:   SAINT PATRICK'S DAY
Subtopic:   MR. MCGRATH-GREETINGS TO MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
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Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Lionel Chevrier (Laurier):

Mr. Speaker, may I be allowed to join with the hon. member for St. John's East and all others in this house in wishing to those of Irish extraction our very best wishes on the eve of St. Patrick's day.

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Subtopic:   MR. MCGRATH-GREETINGS TO MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
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PRIVILEGE

MR. CHEVRIER-STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF FINANCE RESPECTING PAYMENT OF CIVIL SERVANTS

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Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Lionel Chevrier (Laurier):

Mr. Speaker, I rose on a question of privilege at about the same time as the hon. member for St. John's East, but Your Honour saw him first.

My question of privilege is one that affects the rights of all hon. members of this house.

Yesterday the Minister of Finance made a statement which has been interpreted to mean that members of the opposition were preventing civil servants from being paid. One of the local radio stations headed its newscast this morning as follows:

Will some civil servants not get paid? According to finance minister Fleming it's possible.

I am informed, sir, that a question directed to the central pay office produced the reply that no mid-March cheques for civil servants' pay had been held up. In other words, the minister yesterday sought by misleading information to curb debate in this house. Notwithstanding this-

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Paul Theodore Hellyer

Liberal

Mr. Hellyer:

False and misleading.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. CHEVRIER-STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF FINANCE RESPECTING PAYMENT OF CIVIL SERVANTS
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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. Is the hon. member referring to a statement made in the house yesterday?

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

When statements of that kind are made in the house objection to them, if any is to be taken, should be taken at the time they are made.

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Subtopic:   MR. CHEVRIER-STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF FINANCE RESPECTING PAYMENT OF CIVIL SERVANTS
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Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

But, Mr. Speaker-

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I invite the hon. member to hear me out. In the heated debates that take place it would be impossible to go back and correct all the infractions of the rules of the house that have been made during the course of the day. I think the hon. member will agree with me that if we follow that course we would never do the work of today but would spend our time on yesterday's affairs. So I suggest to the hon. member that he take other means of correcting what he says is misinformation.

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Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Mr. Speaker, on the point of order, I feel I should bring to your attention the fact that yesterday no one could have known that the statement made by the Minister of Finance was misleading. This was not known until today when the reference I cited was broadcast on a local radio station to the effect that it was possible that civil servants' pay cheques were being held up. When we made a check today we discovered that no mid-March cheques had been held up, despite what the minister said.

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. CHEVRIER-STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF FINANCE RESPECTING PAYMENT OF CIVIL SERVANTS
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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Well, having gone that far-

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinlon):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege-

Question of Privilege

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. CHEVRIER-STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF FINANCE RESPECTING PAYMENT OF CIVIL SERVANTS
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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I should like to give the minister an opportunity to comment on the question of privilege which has been raised since it has been carried to the extent that it has.

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Subtopic:   MR. CHEVRIER-STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF FINANCE RESPECTING PAYMENT OF CIVIL SERVANTS
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John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

On the point of order-

Topic:   PRIVILEGE
Subtopic:   MR. CHEVRIER-STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF FINANCE RESPECTING PAYMENT OF CIVIL SERVANTS
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March 16, 1962