February 28, 1962

PRIVILEGE

MR. CHURCHILL EDITORIAL CHANGE IN REPORT OF DEBATES

PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gordon Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege affecting all members of the House of Commons and relating to the report of debates. If you will look at Hansard, page 1296, in the second column you will find that I used these words:

Mr. Speaker, every election promise that has been made has been carried out or will be carried out in the near future.

That was followed by a remark by the hon. member for Bonavista-Twillingate-I regret he is not here today-who commended me for what I said by using the words "No one will suffer". In looking at Hansard now I discover that quotation marks have been placed around that expression as if it were not his own. I submit, Mr. Speaker, that this is improper -

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LIB

Hédard-J. Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. Robichaud:

We know where it comes from.

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

-that this is an improper action on the part of those responsible, because I fail to understand how the Hansard reporters, who do such efficient work here, would be able to put quotation marks around any interjection. On looking through a large number of Hansards I have been unable to find any instance where an interjection has quotation marks placed around it.

The reason I draw it to your attention, sir, is this. If this practice of altering Hansard by a member is continued it may lead to some very peculiar instances in the future of interjections being made by members and then of recourse to the debates office to have quotation marks placed around those interjections to attribute them to some other source. I consider, sir, that this is an infringement of the rights and privileges of the House of Commons, by this alteration in Hansard without authority.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Marlin (Essex East):

May I speak to the point the Minister of Veterans Affairs made. There is no proof whatever that there has been any alteration to Hansard. In any 26207-1-85i

event the hon. member for Bonavista-Twillingate is not in his seat. He is engaged on business that pertains to his duties as a member of parliament. It certainly would be most improper to deal with this matter, in which the hon. gentleman is involved, in his absence. In any event, the minister has not made out any case whatever. He only reminded us again of the promise made by the Prime Minister.

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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

It is true the matter affects the hon. member who is not here. He will undoubtedly see it in Hansard, and if he has any comment to make about the complaint perhaps he can say so when he is next in the house. On its face it appears that the editing is not correct, in that there are quotation marks where there was no indication of a quotation.

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MR. MARTIN, ESSEX EAST OBJECTION TO HEADING IN REPORT OF DEBATES


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Marlin (Essex East):

On a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker, may I say that on page 1297 of yesterday's Hansard-I think this is a real question of privilege which has some validity, as compared with the false one already raised-if Your Honour will look at the title just above the observations made by Mr. D. V. Pugh, the member for Okanagan Boundary, he will find, "Alleged lack of economic growth". That is not correct. I am sure, Mr. Speaker, you will agree that the word "alleged" is improperly used in this title, because the opposition has taken the position that there has been a stunting in Canada's economic growth.

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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I was not aware that the hon. member for Okanagan Boundary was a member of the opposition.

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NDP

Murdo William Martin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Marlin (Essex Easl):

I am sure that Your Honour would not want that remark to be taken seriously, because the title refers not only to what the hon. member said-

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David James Walker (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation; Minister responsible for National Capital Commission)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Walker:

No one will take you seriously.

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NDP

Murdo William Martin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Marlin (Essex Easl):

No more seriously than the people of Canada did my hon. friend last night in connection with a most remarkable performance. What the editor, I am sure with no bad intention, has done is to use the word "alleged" in connection with not only the speech of the hon. member for Okanagan

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Boundary but the whole content of the debate. Now, the opposition has argued that there has been-

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I think it is unnecessary for the hon. member to do more than draw attention to his objection. I will discuss the matter with the editor.

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Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. E. D. Fulton (Minister of Justice):

On the same question of privilege, Mr. Speaker, may I draw your attention to the fact that the whole alleged complaint, properly I submit, bears that title; for the Hansard editor wisely inserted the same title over the text of the very speech by which the subject was introduced. I suggest to you, sir, this is clear proof, if proof were necessary, that it is an appropriate title not only to the content but to the manner in which it was raised.

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William Moore Benidickson

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

You should not push civil servants the way you do.

(Translation):

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CROWN CORPORATIONS

APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT TO BOARDS OF DIRECTORS

PC

Marcel Bourbonnais

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Marcel Bourbonnais (Vaudreuil-Sou-langes) moved

for leave to introduce Bill No. C-72, respecting the administration of certain crown corporations.

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February 28, 1962