September 27, 1961

LIB

John Richard Garland

Liberal

Mr. J. R. Garland (Nipissing):

I should like to ask the Minister of Public Works whether he is in a position today to answer the question I put to him yesterday with respect to the conformity of the recommended shelters with the national building code.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   CONFORMITY OF RECOMMENDED SHELTER WITH BUILDING CODE
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PC

David James Walker (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation; Minister responsible for National Capital Commission)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. D. J. Walker (Minister of Public Works):

I was waiting only until the other questions had been asked. I am very happy to answer the hon. member for Nipissing, who asked whether it was true that the fall-out shelters which the government is recommending people should build in their basements are inconsistent with the national building code.

Upon inquiry I find that this matter has been considered by the associate committee of the national research council which drew up and recommended the national building

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Inquiries of the Ministry code. They have made the following statement about the matter, which is incorporated in the booklet on this shelter:

The associate committee on the national building code of the national research council considers this design of household fall-out shelters to be structurally acceptable for its intended use for installation in the basements of dwellings, for emergency use only.

The associate committee makes this statement since the provisions of the national building code are intended for use with buildings for normal conditions of occupancy and not for emergency use.

There are two aspects of the shelter which diverge, for good reason, from certain of the details of the national building code. The first and most obvious one is that the code stipulates that each room in a house should have a window. It would, of course, defeat the whole purpose of the shelter to put a window in it, and the need for ventilation in the shelter is looked after otherwise by vents which it is recommended be built in appropriate places that will not impair the protective value of the shelter.

The other feature specified in the code which has not been carried into the shelter design is that which states that masonry should not be structurally supported on timber. The shelter uses masonry in the form of concrete blocks as a shielding material. To carry it on steel or on other masonry supports would make the shelter Very much more expensive and more difficult to build. For the emergency purposes for which the shelter is designed and for the period of usefulness that might reasonably be expected for a shelter, it has been determined that, as reflected by the quotation from the associate committee, the design proposed is quite adequate.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   CONFORMITY OF RECOMMENDED SHELTER WITH BUILDING CODE
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UNITED NATIONS


On the orders of the day:


PC

Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. H. O. White (Middlesex East):

I wish to direct a question to the Prime Minister. Has the Prime Minister any report from our delegation at the United Nations to the effect that our Secretary of State for External Affairs could succeed the late Dag Ham-marskjold as secretary general?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   UNITED NATIONS
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBLE APPOINTMENT OF CANADIAN MINISTER AS SECRETARY GENERAL
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Prime Minister):

I would be afraid to speak in appropriate terms as to the qualifications of the Secretary of State for External Affairs for that particular position because my words might be misunderstood, as was a previous statement I made, as evidence of a potential separation, which of course is non-existent. I know of no one who could discharge those responsibilities in a better manner, but, as

the hon. gentleman knows, decisions in this regard are the result of consultation and require the support of some nations which I am sure, having regard to some of the statements which the Secretary of State for External Affairs has made on behalf of freedom, would not find his candidature altogether acceptable; I have in mind certain members of the United Nations.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   UNITED NATIONS
Sub-subtopic:   POSSIBLE APPOINTMENT OF CANADIAN MINISTER AS SECRETARY GENERAL
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LABOUR CONDITIONS


On the orders of the day:


NDP

Frank Howard

New Democratic Party

Mr. Frank Howard (Skeena):

On Saturday last I put a question to the Minister of Justice. He was unavoidably absent at that moment. The question was based upon a speech made by Deputy Commissioner McClellan of the R.C.M.P. at Halifax with respect to some internal union matters at Sudbury. I wonder if the minister is now able to answer it.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   STATEMENT BY MOUNTED POLICE OFFICIAL RESPECTING UNION ACTIVITIES
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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. E. D. Fulton (Minister of Justice):

I have looked into this matter, and I find that what the deputy commissioner was discussing there was the question of fact. Of course it is a well accepted rule that officers in his position do not make speeches on matters of policy. This speech dealt with a matter of fact to which I myself have already alluded in this house, that is, the efforts made by communists to infiltrate trade unions and other perfectly reputable organizations.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   STATEMENT BY MOUNTED POLICE OFFICIAL RESPECTING UNION ACTIVITIES
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BRITISH NORTH AMERICA ACT


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh

Liberal

Miss Judy V. LaMarsh (Niagara Falls):

should like to direct a question to the Minister of Justice. In view of the statement made by Mr. William F. Ryan, Q.C., president of the association of Canadian law teachers, appearing in the Montreal Star of September 26, criticizing the government's course in formulating proposals to amend the British North America Act, will the minister advise the house whether the government intends to provide an opportunity for public representations to be made on constitutional amendments before legislation is introduced?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   BRITISH NORTH AMERICA ACT
Sub-subtopic:   OPPORTUNITY FOR REPRESENTATIONS RESPECTING AMENDMENT PROCEDURE
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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. E. D. Fulion (Minister of Justice):

The

future course in respect of this matter is as I outlined it in reply to a question by the hon. member for Laurier about 10 days ago. Perhaps I should emphasize one point. When the final draft, which is being worked on at the present time, is circulated to the attorneys general in the near future it is the intention

Inquiries of the Ministry to make it public so there may be public ability of granting to part-time or seasonal information and discussion before legislative government employees paid holidays as for action is taken. permanent employees?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   BRITISH NORTH AMERICA ACT
Sub-subtopic:   OPPORTUNITY FOR REPRESENTATIONS RESPECTING AMENDMENT PROCEDURE
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LIB

Julia Verlyn (Judy) LaMarsh

Liberal

Miss LaMarsh:

Is it the minister's intention to provide for public hearings at which representations may be made in a formal way prior to the introduction of such legislation?

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   BRITISH NORTH AMERICA ACT
Sub-subtopic:   OPPORTUNITY FOR REPRESENTATIONS RESPECTING AMENDMENT PROCEDURE
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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

Mr. Speaker, no such decision has been made on that point.

Topic:   EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Subtopic:   BRITISH NORTH AMERICA ACT
Sub-subtopic:   OPPORTUNITY FOR REPRESENTATIONS RESPECTING AMENDMENT PROCEDURE
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ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE

TORONTO


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Paul Theodore Hellyer

Liberal

Hon. Paul Hellyer (Trinity):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to direct a question to the Minister of National Defence. Has the minister received any indication of the possible cause of the tragic crash of an R.C.A.F. trainer aircraft north of Toronto Monday night?

Topic:   ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE
Subtopic:   TORONTO
Sub-subtopic:   CRASH OP TRAINER AIRCRAFT
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September 27, 1961