September 8, 1961

LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Who decides that?

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

If the hon. gentleman will place that question on the order paper in the regular way an answer will be given to it.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Martin (Essex East):

Speaking on a point of order may I say this. Surely the suggestion of the Prime Minister is one that cannot go without some comment.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. If the Prime Minister refused a question on a point of order, of

Inquiries of the Ministry course it would be open to an hon. member to discuss the point of order. However, I think the practice is well established that the government is not obliged to answer a question. If it objects to a question and requests that it be put on the order paper, as was done by the Prime Minister, it seems to me that procedure is within the practice we have followed.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

I am sure we will not disagree with you, Mr. Speaker.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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Some hon. Members:

Order.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

The Prime Minister is within his rights.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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Some hon. Members:

Order.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I think I should hear the hon. member for Essex East because it seems to me-

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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PC

Frank Exton Lennard

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Lennard:

We do not.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I hope the hon. member for Wentworth will bear with me, because a point of order is involved in objecting to a question on the ground that it is unsuitable for the orders of the day. I could deal with the matter on either point, and I think I should hear the hon. member for Essex East.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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NDP

Murdo William Martin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Marlin (Essex Easl):

Of course Your Honour is correct in saying that it is the right of the Prime Minister or any other minister to withhold a response to a question. However, that is not the point in issue. The point in issue is that the Prime Minister stated that this was not a proper question to ask on the orders of the day.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

That is right.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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NDP

Murdo William Martin

New Democratic Party

Mr. Marlin (Essex Easl):

This is a proper question. In any event, it is not for the Prime Minister to tell this house what is proper. That is the responsibility of the Speaker.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Sub-subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO CRITICISM OF GOVERNMENT ACTION
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, may I say to the hon. gentleman that I never appropriate to myself the position of Mr. Speaker, as the hon. gentleman does so frequently. I simply pointed out that this was not a proper question. It is not dealing with a matter of immediate moment. It is a matter of detail and, being a matter of detail, it should be placed on the order paper.

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Subtopic:   INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
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PUBLIC SERVICE

PART TIME EMPLOYEES


On the orders of the day:


PC

Noël Dorion (Secretary of State of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Noel Dorion (Secrelary of Slate):

Mr. Speaker, at the end of the first part of the session the hon. member for Kootenay West put to me the following question:

In view of the minister's statement in the house on July 11 that the civil service commission has followed the policy of granting regular leave to full time civil servants only, would the minister care to comment on the fact that as far back as ten years ago the civil service commission advertised positions or part time stenographers in the Ottawa papers and offered sick leave and holiday benefits ?

This is my answer. In my statement on July 11, 1961, regarding paid leave for part time employees, to the effect that the government has followed the policy of granting regular leave only to full time civil servants,

I should have made a distinction between persons regularly employed part time on a set time basis of so many hours per day, or for example on a half time basis, as opposed to persons employed sporadically from time to time on what is known as a casual basis.

In the former cases it is the policy of the government, and this includes the civil service commission, to grant regular leave-vacation, sick and special-on a basis which is scaled proportionately to the number of hours worked. It is true, therefore, that a half time stenographer receives one half the normal leave credits. She would, therefore, receive three weeks annual leave, or fifteen days, but would be paid for half her fifteen days only or, in total, one half of fifteen days' pay. On the other hand, in those departments which have employees engaged on a sporadic or casual basis, it is not the practice to grant leave benefits.

As already reported on July 11, this whole matter is now being studied by the civil service commission.

Topic:   PUBLIC SERVICE
Subtopic:   PART TIME EMPLOYEES
Sub-subtopic:   REPORTED OFFER OF SICK LEAVE AND HOLIDAYS
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September 8, 1961