June 3, 1961

PC

John Angus MacLean (Minister of Fisheries)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

Let me put the hon. member's mind at rest right away. The general program is not reduced. This may be a bit misleading, but actually the over-all program of industrial development is being expanded as far as expenditure is concerned. The apparent reduction is due to the fact that there has been a quite sudden reduction in the amount of money being used in the building of community stages which is covered by this vote.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

The minister knows that I would like to see that expenditure increased also.

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PC
LIB

Chesley William Carter

Liberal

Mr. Carter:

I have two supplementary questions on this item. The minister referred to the stern dragger as one of the experiments being carried out under this item. Is this the first year in which we have been carrying on such experiments? If not, what was the result of any previous work done in this respect?

My second question has to do with marketing. Can the minister tell the house whether any marketing research is being carried out by his department and whether it is done under this item? If not, under what item is it financed?

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PC

John Angus MacLean (Minister of Fisheries)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

With regard to the stern trawler, this is the development of a suitable design of boat that may be used specifically for Canadian Atlantic coast conditions. There has been no work done with stern trawlers in Canada up to this date.

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LIB

Chesley William Carter

Liberal

Mr. Carter:

No, but work has been carried out on the stern trawler or the stern dragger in England, I think, and in Norway.

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PC
LIB

Chesley William Carter

Liberal

Mr. Carter:

The results of that experiment should be available to us. What additional information are we trying to acquire under this item or under the program the minister referred to? Just what is the purpose of continuing the experiment when the information is already available?

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PC

John Angus MacLean (Minister of Fisheries)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

Well, the information is available in a general way, but it is a question of the design of a stern trawler calculated to meet specific Canadian Atlantic coast requirements. Our requirements for a stern trawler might not be the same as for a stern trawler which would be operating from Europe.

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LIB

Chesley William Carter

Liberal

Mr. Carter:

The minister did not answer my second question about marketing research. Is anything being done along this line?

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PC

John Angus MacLean (Minister of Fisheries)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

It actually is being done but it comes under item 133.

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LIB

Hédard-J. Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. Robichaud:

I have a question to ask the minister but I do not know whether it comes under this item. In recent years the department has carried out certain experiments to locate scallop beds especially in Northumberland strait and in the gulf of St. Lawrence. Is it the intention of the department to carry on with similar experiments this year?

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PC
LIB

Hédard-J. Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. Robichaud:

Has any arrangement been made by the department to select certain boats or certain vessels in certain areas?

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PC

John Angus MacLean (Minister of Fisheries)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacLean (Queens):

This is being done at the present time. As far as I know certain research is being done along this line at the St. Andrews station of the research board.

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LIB

Hédard-J. Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. Robichaud:

When such experiments are carried on the results should be made available to the fishermen. I know that fishermen in our own areas are still wondering whether beds were found in 1959. If beds were located, what amount of scallops was in those beds, and where were they? Steps should be taken to make the results of such experiments available to the fishermen so that they could use the beds to their benefit.

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CCF

Frank Howard

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Howard:

My question has to do really with the fishing bounty. I assume, from past practice, that we deal with statutory items where they follow immediately after a vote. In as much as it is six o'clock, I wonder whether I can defer my comment to another day?

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

Would the committee be prepared to continue for a few minutes on these items? If we are striving for the deadline of the 30th day of June, would it not be wise to complete the estimates of this department? I do not want to hurry anyone if there are questions to ask, tout the house sometimes shows that it is quite willing to take an extra few minutes and carry on. I am sure we are quite prepared to do that.

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Murray Douglas Morton

Progressive Conservative

The Acting Chairman (Mr. Morton):

Have we unanimous consent to carry on?

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CCF

Frank Howard

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Howard:

There is another point. For instance, the fisheries research board becomes involved quite extensively in the next item and I have some remarks to make which would take more than a few minutes. I think we should call it six o'clock.

Resolutions adopted in committee of supply this day reported and concurred in.

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June 3, 1961