June 1, 1961

STANDING ORDERS


Twelfth report of standing committee on standing orders-Miss Aitken,


COMMONWEALTH RELATIONS

REPORTED INCREASE IN FINANCIAL


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Hon. L. B. Pearson (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I wonder whether the Prime Minister could comment on the reports that have appeared in the press this morning that Canada has decided to increase its financial assistance to India.

Topic:   COMMONWEALTH RELATIONS
Subtopic:   REPORTED INCREASE IN FINANCIAL
Sub-subtopic:   ASSISTANCE
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, this is one of those articles that appear from time to time as the expression of a wish, no doubt, on the part of those who write them. As I said the other day in answer to a similar inquiry regarding the question of aid, when full consideration has been given to all the implications the house will be made aware of the result thereof. There has been no decision made.

Topic:   COMMONWEALTH RELATIONS
Subtopic:   REPORTED INCREASE IN FINANCIAL
Sub-subtopic:   ASSISTANCE
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NATIONAL DEFENCE

REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Hazen Argue (Assiniboia):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to direct a question to the Minister of Defence Production arising out of a rather fantastic report to the effect that a scrap dealer in Winnipeg has some 11 CF-100's in flying condition that he has purchased from Crown Assets Disposal Corporation. I wonder whether the minister could give the house some information about this transaction. Can the minister say whether tenders were called on this disposal, and can he assure the house that there will be no trafficking in war materials?

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Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of National Defence)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. D. S. Harkness (Minister of National Defence):

Mr, Speaker, perhaps I had better answer that question. I did reply to a question in connection with the disposal of CF-lOO's on May 9. The answer is to be found at page 4543 of Hansard of that date. The

policy which has been followed in connection with the disposal of these aircraft is as follows.

There is a program of removing all usable parts where it is economically practicable to do so, and the declaration of the residual hulk as scrap. The residual hulks, as a consequence of the salvage program, would not be in a flyable condition.

In the case of the particular aircraft mentioned in the report referred to by the hon, member, the articles salvaged from them comprised all the military and purely classified items such as armaments, etc. In addition there were salvaged the bulk of the instruments, electrical accessories, telecommunications, hydraulic and certain key airframe components which are essential to the operation of the aircraft.

There is no question but that the removal of these parts would render the 11 aircraft referred to in the report unfit for flying. 1 am assured by the Royal Canadian Air Force that it is incorrect to assume that these aircraft could be flown and could therefore be sold. As a matter of fact I am told that it would require an expenditure of several hundred thousand dollars to put each plane in flying condition,

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Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Argue:

A supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Could the minister say whether tenders were called, and could he inform the house of the purchase price of these aircraft?

Topic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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LIB

Donat Raymond

Liberal

Hon. Raymond O'Hurley (Minister of Defence Production):

Mr. Speaker, tenders were called in the regular way by Crown Assets Disposal Corporation and four bids were received. I do not have the prices at which these planes were sold as scrap for resale. We generally do not divulge confidential information of that nature. However, I may say that tenders were called and four bids were received.

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Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Argue:

Would the minister obtain that information and give it to the house?

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Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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PC

Raymond Joseph Michael O'Hurley (Minister of Defence Production)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. O'Hurley:

Mr. Speaker, I shall consult with the authorities of Crown Assets Disposal Corporation and the regular procedure will be followed. If it is possible to divulge that information I shall do so, but if it is improper I shall be required to treat it as confidential information.

Inquiries of the Ministry

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LIB

George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. G. J. Mcllraiih (Ottawa West):

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Did I understand the minister to say in his answer that these aircraft were sold for resale?

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Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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PC

Raymond Joseph Michael O'Hurley (Minister of Defence Production)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. O'Hurley:

No, Mr. Speaker, not as aircraft. They were sold as contaminated scrap. For the information of the hon. member let me say that the 11 planes represented 220,000 pounds of scrap.

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Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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LIB

George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllraiih:

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister of Defence Production explain the use of the words "for resale" in his initial answer?

Topic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE
Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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PC

Raymond Joseph Michael O'Hurley (Minister of Defence Production)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. O'Hurley:

Mr. Speaker, the Westbourne Supply Company purchases scrap for resale, as does any other scrap dealer.

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Subtopic:   REPORTED DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS CF-100 PLANES
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June 1, 1961