May 25, 1961

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George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank the minister for his somewhat extended answer to a rather simple and direct question concerning whether or not he had obtained consent to the tabling of a certain document. In any event, I take it that it is quite clear from the record in Hansard that both the hon. member for Laurier and the hon. member for Bonavista-Twillingate referred to the specific letter by date. I take it from the minister's answer that it is also quite clear that the letter quoted in Hansard at page 1652 is the letter in question, and the only one that passed on that date from the premier of British Columbia to the Minister of Finance. As to the debatable part of the answer of the Minister of Finance which was rather extended-

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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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David James Walker (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation; Minister responsible for National Capital Commission)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Walker:

Mr. Speaker, may I ask what is the hon. member's question?

Inquiries of the Ministry

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

We have a

Speaker in this house. The minister is not the Speaker.

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David James Walker (Minister of Public Works; Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation; Minister responsible for National Capital Commission)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Walker:

Mr. Speaker, must we listen endlessly to this long winded exponent from Ottawa West?

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I am still waiting to hear what the question is. I take it that the hon. member for Ottawa West intends to ask a supplementary question.

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George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I find myself in some difficulty at this time. I asked a direct question of the Minister of Finance in which I inquired whether he had obtained consent to the tabling of a certain document. The minister made a lengthy reply, part of which was addressed to the question. In his reply the minister said that the document was published in Hansard, and he gave me the page reference, but the latter part of his answer contained matter which was debatable, and I wish to raise a question concerning it.

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William Heward Grafftey

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Graffley:

One of our clearer questioners is now on his feet.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The hon. member has the floor to ask a supplementary question.

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George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

My supplementary question is this, Mr. Speaker. I take it from the minister's answer-the latter part of his answer, in any event

that it is quite clear that the letter from the premier of British Columbia-

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Some hon. Members:

Question.

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George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

-had been received in Ottawa well before the signing of the agreement with the United States?

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinion):

Mr. Speaker, not "well before" at all. I made this quite clear when I was asked this question several days ago, and I have made it clear again this morning. The letter of Premier Bennett which appears in full at page 1652 of the Hansard of this house for February 2 was dated January 13. It arrived in Ottawa on Monday, January 16. The treaty was signed in Washington on Tuesday morning, January 17. The letter of Premier Bennett arrived here when the Prime Minister was already on his way to Washington to take part in the signing ceremonies which had been previously arranged and with full knowledge on the part of the representatives of the British Columbia government who had participated in negotiations on this matter with the government of Canada and, at times, with the government of the United States. This was a matter of arrangement among the three governments and was completely within the contemplation of all three governments.

5332 HOUSE OF

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Paul Theodore Hellyer

Liberal

Mr. Hellyer:

They certainly took the minister for a ride.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Martin (Essex East):

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister of Finance explain to the house why he said yesterday he would have to get consent to table a letter which he had already tabled in this house?

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

Mr. Speaker, I would not have thought that anything would require explanation when the situation was so clear. I had been asked on two days this week about tabling correspondence with Premier Bennett. There is other correspondence in addition to these two letters. I was asked about tabling correspondence and before I could table correspondence, which has extended over some period, I stated and I still believe that the consent of the government of British Columbia should be required. I said yesterday that I expected to see Premier Bennett today, not in Ottawa but elsewhere, and that I would have an opportunity to ask him about these letters. I remind the hon. member for Essex East, Mr. Speaker, who cannot be quite so lacking in intelligence as he tries to show this morning, that this letter was not tabled. It was read into Hansard-

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

What is the difference?

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

-in the course of a statement which I made to the house on this matter on February 2. It was the hon. member for Kootenay West who asked me then if I would table the letter of Premier Bennett to which my letter was written in reply, and I complied with that request.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Such ineptness.

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George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

I should like to ask a supplementary question arising out of the discussion with respect to this letter, as reported in Hansard of February 2, 1961. My question has to do with the request for the tabling of the letter of Premier Bennett, which the minister ascribed to the hon. member for Kootenay West, and I would ask the minister-

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May 25, 1961