May 24, 1961

VETERANS AFFAIRS

FOURTH AND FIFTH REPORTS OF STANDING COMMITTEE-CONCURRENCE IN FOURTH REPORT

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Gage Workman Montgomery

Progressive Conservative

Mr. G. W. Montgomery (Vicloria-Carlelon):

I have the honour to present the fourth and fifth reports of the standing committee on veterans affairs. By unanimous consent I move:

That the fourth report of the standing committee on veterans affairs, presented this day, be now concurred in.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Has the hon. member for Victoria-Carleton unanimous consent to move his motion?

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

It is simply to reduce the quorum.

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George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllraiih:

Mr. Speaker, before the request for unanimous consent is made may I ask whether there is any reason for requesting unanimous consent? Perhaps the mover of the motion would give us some indication on that.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Since the hon. member for Victoria-Carleton is asking for unanimous consent perhaps he would state his reason.

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Gage Workman Montgomery

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Montgomery:

Mr. Speaker, the reason I am asking for unanimous consent in order to have the fourth report of the committee concurred in today is that it has been the experience of the committee that the members thereof spend 10 or 15 minutes on some occasions waiting until there is a quorum. Several committees are meeting simultaneously, and some members of this committee also serve on other committees. At the last meeting of our committee it was unanimously decided among the members present, representing all parties, that we would ask leave of the house to reduce our quorum from 15 to 10.

I move, seconded by the hon. member for Bruce (Mr. Robinson):

That the fourth report of the standing committee on veterans affairs presented this day be now concurred in.

That report would simply have the effect of reducing the quorum from 15 to 10.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

In view of the explanation offered by the hon. member for Victoria-Carleton, has he unanimous consent to move his motion?

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, there will be no opposition to this, of course, but the request highlights the reason for it, and that is that so many committees are sitting at this stage of our proceedings-

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The hon. member is not rising at a time when debate is permitted. The house either gives unanimous consent or not. I take it that the hon. member for Essex East does not wish to dissent?

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Marlin (Essex East):

No, Mr. Speaker.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I will now put the motion. By unanimous consent Mr. Montgomery, seconded by Mr. Robinson, moves:

That the fourth report of the standing committee on veterans affairs presented this day be now concurred in.

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion?

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Marlin (Essex Easl):

Mr. Speaker, I take it that I may say something at this stage. I do not intend to oppose this motion except to state that I believe the reason the hon. gentleman is asking that this motion be put forward at this time is that there is difficulty in getting the attendance of members of committees at the appropriate times because so many committee meetings are being held at this stage in the proceedings of the session. For instance, the house begins its sitting at 11 o'clock, and a committee is going to meet at one o'clock. Committees are meeting this afternoon.

This difficulty arises out of the failure of the government to bring forward its legislation at the appropriate time in the session. Members of the opposition who have a responsibility are finding it difficult to discharge that responsibility because of the simultaneous holding of so many committee meetings at a time when important legislation is being discussed in this house. The other day we had a situation in which an important matter dealing with freight rates was being discussed in a committee of this house while the hon. member for Laurier, a former minister of transport and the Liberal critic in transport matters, as well as the Minister of Transport himself were engaged in discussions in this house on amendments having to do with the Canada Shipping Act.

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So while I do not object to the request at this stage, I point out that the government has so mismanaged its affairs in the conduct of our proceedings-

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An hon. Member:

Nonsense.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

-that this kind of request is now being put forward.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

I know that hon. gentlemen do not like what I am saying, but that is the fact. Not only is it a fact that opposition members are finding the situation difficult, but it is a fact that members on the government side are also finding it difficult. Some members on the government side are actually boycotting a particular committee because it is being held at a particular time. I hope these remarks will serve to remind the administration that it is largely responsible for this situation.

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Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. H. W. Herridge (Kootenay West):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to join with the hon. member for Essex East, who on this occasion is my partner in protest. I agree with what he has said. I might say that in heart and in mind we agree when it comes to criticism of the present arrangements with regard to the committees. In the veterans affairs committee we unanimously agreed to reduce the quorum to 10. We accepted that suggestion reluctantly because we would attend meetings and would wait 15 minutes, 20 minutes, and 25 minutes. We would have a number of officials, whose time is valuable, waiting for the committee to meet in order to give their answers to questions raised by members of the committee. It was because of that circumstance that we agreed to a reduction of the quorum to 10. However, as the hon. member for Essex East has mentioned, there is a committee which is called to meet today at one o'clock. I refer to the committee on external affairs. I cannot attend that committee meeting.

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May 24, 1961