March 8, 1961

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

FURTHER ANNOUNCEMENT ON VISIT OF UNITED KINGDOM PRIME MINISTER

PC

Howard Charles Green (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Howard C. Green (Acting Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, on February 17 the Prime Minister announced that Right Hon. Harold Macmillan, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, accompanied by Lady Dorothy, would be paying a brief visit to Ottawa on April 7 and 8. Hon. members will have heard with great pleasure on today's news broadcast that the visit is now to be of longer duration. As a result of talks which Mr. Diefenbaker had yesterday in London, the dates of the visit are now arranged for April 8 to April 12.

Mr. Macmillan and Lady Dorothy will be the guests of Their Excellencies the Governor General and Madame Vanier during their stay in Ottawa. As they are arriving here on a Saturday it is planned that they shall spend a quiet week end, which will then be followed by two days of talks with ministers on questions of mutual concern.

The United Kingdom Prime Minister will be arriving in Ottawa from Washington, where he will just have completed talks with President Kennedy. As the right hon. Prime Minister said in the house on February 16 when he first expressed the hope that Mr. Macmillan might visit Canada, it has become a welcome custom that whenever the United Kingdom Prime Minister has visited the president of the United States for consultations, he has almost invariably visited Canada either before or after. Such visits are not only useful but give us a great deal of pleasure, and I am sure all members of the house will welcome the news that Right Hon. Mr. Macmillan and Lady Dorothy have found it possible to spend a few days with us here in Ottawa.

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Hon. L. B. Pearson (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I am sure all members of the house will have welcomed the statement made by the Acting Prime Minister. I know that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and his wife will receive the warm welcome which is traditionally accorded prime ministers of the United Kingdom, and I hope their stay in Canada will be both useful and pleasant.

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CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Hazen Argue (Assiniboia):

Mr. Speaker, since the visit of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is to be of longer duration, and since parliament will be in session for part of that time, I would hope that it might be possible for the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, as I suggested earlier, to address a joint session of both houses of parliament.

I would think these talks could be very useful, particularly on the return of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from the United States. As we all so well know, there are many urgent outstanding world problems that require the attention of the leaders of the world. I am certain that discussions between our own Prime Minister and Prime Minister Macmillan regarding trade questions and questions involving the peace of the world would be particularly useful following his discussions with President Kennedy.

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Howard Charles Green (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Mr. Speaker, perhaps the house will bear with me with regard to the suggestion made by the hon. member for Assiniboia to the effect that Mr. Macmillan should be asked to address the members of the Senate and House of Commons. I am not yet in a position to announce whether that will be possible, but I am hoping it will be.

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LABOUR CONDITIONS

ANNOUNCEMENT OF REGULATIONS RESPECTING ACCELERATED DEPRECIATION OF ASSETS

PC

George Harris Hees (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. George H. Hees (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to inform the house that the regulations providing for special capital cost allowances have been printed and are being distributed today to members of both houses and other interested parties. These regulations provide that accelerated depreciation may be claimed in respect of most types of assets acquired after December 31, 1960, if the assets are used in making a product not previously produced in Canada or in a surplus manpower area. Such assets are eligible for double depreciation for one year on the basis of the capital expenditure incurred for such equipment. The extra allowance can be applied in any of the first three years after the asset is acquired.

Companies acquiring assets which they believe may be eligible for special capital cost allowances should communicate with the depreciation certification branch, Department of Trade and Commerce, Ottawa. Copies of

Labour Conditions

an explanatory memorandum, the regulations and application forms will be sent to them. This material is available in French and English.

Municipal or area authorities wishing to have their localities or areas designated as surplus manpower areas should communicate with the Department of Labour, which will be responsible for receiving and studying such applications.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Martin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the Minister of Trade and Commerce will not expect us not to be surprised by the announcement he has just made, in view of the reply he made to me last week when I asked him if he was going to have anything to do with this program. He said no.

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George Harris Hees (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

No.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Later the Prime Minister informed the house that the Minister of Labour would be charged with the administration of this matter and, indeed, in that connection the Minister of Labour did make an announcement, not satisfactory, of course, in content; but now we are told by the Minister of Trade and Commerce, notwithstanding his disclaimer, that he is in fact going to have something to do with this program which we should have an opportunity of discussing at the earliest possible moment.

I can only say, Mr. Speaker, that until such time as we have given further study to the announcement made by the minister, the fact that he has made this announcement only indicates the confusion and uncertainty on the government benches.

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CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Hazen Argue (Assiniboia):

We are

glad the government is showing some progress, in that it has now announced in a more specific way certain terms of the policy that was first indicated in this house some days ago. We make the suggestion, Mr. Speaker, that the formula requires further study; that it should be a formula which would allow this kind of depreciation in localities where there is a surplus of workers today, in depressed areas, and it should be much different from the formula which was announced in this house. In applying this formula the government should make certain that the main depressed areas of this country can comply with this double depreciation provision.

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George Harris Hees (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Mr. Speaker, in speaking to this announcement the hon. member for Essex East-

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Your Honour decided the other day very clearly in connection with other

[Mr. Hees.l

statements which were made that once the minister had made a statement and there was an opportunity for reply, there should be no further opportunity for re-reply.

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Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

That is correct. I am not sure why the minister is rising, but I shall find out in due course.

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George Harris Hees (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Mr. Speaker, I might use the device used every day by the members of the opposition, when they rise on questions of privilege, to clarify an erroneous statement made by the hon. member for Essex East. He claimed that I said something the other day which I did not say-

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

That is not privilege.

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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. If the minister feels that a misinterpretation has been put upon his statement I have said before, and I repeat, that he, as any member, has the right to rise to correct an erroneous interpretation which has been put upon a factual statement. If it is limited to that I do not think I should prevent him from making that correction. However, it is well settled that he would not be in order simply to reply to a comment which had been made on the original statement.

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George Harris Hees (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Mr. Speaker, when asked that question some time ago by the hon. member for Essex East I said that it had to do, as I remembered it, with the designation of surplus manpower areas. At that time I said that was not my responsibility but the responsibility of the Minister of Labour, and that, of course, is the case. My responsibility and the responsibility of my department is to deal with new products and new processes, and I have never for a moment said that was not a responsibility of my department.

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March 8, 1961