December 20, 1960


Item agreed to. DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES Water resources branch- 612. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and equipment-further amount required, $47,000.


LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

I had hoped to be able to welcome the new minister at this point. We were told the ministers were all going to be here. This item has to do with the water resources branch and would be the item under which consideration would be given to the offer made to the government of British Columbia in connection with the Columbia river project. I know that there is no amount

Supply-Northern Affairs of money for that here, and I am not going to take up any time, but I do want to put on the record a reference to Hansard of March 26, 1957, where the Hon. Jean Lesage, then minister of northern affairs, put on the record the offer made by Hon. James Sinclair, who was then the minister of fisheries and a minister from British Columbia, on behalf of the previous administration, for federal aid for the development of the Columbia river. I put it on the record because the Minister of Finance questioned what I said yesterday when I said that the offer of the present government was, in all essential respects, identical with the offer made by the previous government. I think the facts should be on the record.

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Item agreed to. Forestry branch- Forest research division- 615. Construction or acquisition of buildings, works, land and equipment-further amount required, $44,040.


LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

I wonder if we should not give the new Minister of Forestry a chance to tell us just what is being done under one of these items, at least. While these items are listed under the forestry branch of northern affairs, as a result of the answer given by the Prime Minister the other day, they are obviously for the new Department of Forestry. I think perhaps we would all be interested in having the Minister of Forestry tell us the purpose of item 615.

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PC

Hugh John Flemming (Minister of Forestry)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flemming (Royal):

Mr. Chairman, I am very pleased to supply the information. This vote really consists of two items. One is for a winter works program to be undertaken at the Petawawa forest experimental station. I could give the details, but the total is $29,340. The other is the winter works program al Acadia which, as hon. members know, is neai Fredericton, New Brunswick. The total amount is $14,700. That makes a total of $44,000. I shall be glad to give the details. However, in general terms that is the explanation.

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Item agreed to. 617. Contributions to the provinces, pursuant to agreements entered into with the approval of the governor in council, by Canada with the provinces, of amounts equal to one half of the amounts confirmed by the provinces as having been spent by them in establishing forest access roads and trails for the attainment of adequate fire protection as well as other aspects of forest management, $830,000.


LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

I think we ought to have from the minister an explanation of this rather large sum.

988 HOUSE OF

Supply-Northern Affairs

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PC

Hugh John Flemming (Minister of Forestry)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flemming (Royal):

The explanation is that it has to do with a vote which I believe has been made in the house-certainly prior to my being here-amounting to $5 million for the federal contribution to forest access roads. This approximately $800,000 is the amount which is anticipated will be spent or at least it is the federal government's share of the amount that will be spent by the provinces between now and the end of the fiscal period ending March 31. For the information of the committee I may say that we have replies from all provinces, except three I believe, in connection with forest access road. Steps are being taken immediately to contact those three provinces with a view to making the winter works program, so far as forest access roads are concerned, applicable to all the provinces throughout the whole country. However, we have from seven of the provinces at the present time replies indicating agreement with the federal government proposal which is to share on a 50-50 basis all the expenses. Previously I believe some objection was raised by the provinces with regard to federal participation on a 50 per cent share of the labour cost only. This arrangement has been changed and the proposal which has been made has been that the total cost of forest access roads shall be shared.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Will the minister make representation to his colleague the Minister of Labour in order to ascertain whether the same progressive step could not be taken with regard to the winter works program? Can the minister tell us whether an agreement has yet been reached with the government of Quebec to participate in this program as, I believe has been done in the case of roads to resources?

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PC

Hugh John Flemming (Minister of Forestry)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flemming (Royal):

The answer is yes, Mr. Chairman. Quebec is one of the provinces which has signified a willingness to go ahead on a 50-50 basis.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Is that the real reason for the very large increase in the amount?

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PC

Hugh John Flemming (Minister of Forestry)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flemming (Royal):

I am sorry but I just did not understand the question.

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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

The minister was not here, of course. However, at the time the main estimates were passed, as he said, a considerable sum was voted for this program. At that time the government of Quebec- and it was then a different government- was not participating in this program. I just wondered whether it is as a result of the change of government in Quebec and the participation by the present government that an extra $830,000 is needed.

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PC

Hugh John Flemming (Minister of Forestry)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flemming (Royal):

I do not think the gross amount has been changed. It was $5

million then; it is still $5 million. It may be that there will be a little bit more disposition on the part of Quebec to co-operate; I would not say.

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LIB

Herman Maxwell Batten

Liberal

Mr. Batten:

May I ask the minister if he could give a break-down of this amount, showing the amount for each province?

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PC

Hugh John Flemming (Minister of Forestry)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flemming (Royal):

Yes, I have the figures here. If I may, I will give just the round figures. They are as follows:

Province Amount

Quebec $1,250,000

British Columbia 1,183,000

Prince Edward Island 10,000

That is a token amount.

Province Amount

Newfoundland $ 173,000

Nova Scotia 85,000

New Brunswick 135,000

Ontario 940,000

Manitoba 333,000

Saskatchewan 232,000

Alberta 655,000

I believe that is the information the hon. gentleman wanted.

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Item agreed to.


PRIVY COUNCIL


Privy council-Special- 618. Expenses of the royal commission on railway problems-further amount required, $89,000.


CCF

Erhart Regier

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Regier:

May I ask the Prime Minister whether it is the intention of the government also to appoint within the ensuing year a royal commission to investigate all transportation problems in Canada and not to have the investigation limited only to railway problems?

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December 20, 1960