January 19, 1960

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An hon. Member:

Pompous manner.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Oh, no.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

No. In his expansive

manner he proceeds to build up a very good case. As a matter of fact, as I listened to him, it so happens that I was glancing over a book on parliament I had in my room. I am not going to say that there is any applicability at all. It is entitled "Orders of the Day, Memories of Nearly Fifty Years of the House

of Commons" by the Right Hon. Earl Winter-ton, P.C. I do not know whether or not the hon. gentleman has read it. It is most helpful in understanding the traditions of parliament and in maintaining those things which will be maintained so long as this government is in power, namely the supremacy of parliament. I can understand the degree of his exuberance when he looks back on the record of the government of which he was a member in that famous debate known as the pipe line debate in which he and other members of the government at that time learned the meaning of constitutional and parliamentary government. I should like to read from this book at page 16 as follows:

During the debate on the address, a new Liberal M.P.-Mr. Herbert Paul, the historian-in a maiden speech made a ferocious, though somewhat confused, attack upon the Conservative party.

I simply pause to point out-

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An hon. Member:

The similarity.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

-that the hon. gentleman has just spoken in a somewhat similar manner. The quotation continues:

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Hedley Francis Gregory Bridges

Mr. Bridgeman (afterwards Lord Bridgeman):

who held high office after the first world war, followed with his maiden speech. He made one of the neatest retorts X have heard in the Commons. "The honourable member's speech", he said, "reminded me very forcibly of a passage in the Bible, 'Paul, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning hath made thee mad'".

As I listened-

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

Remember the words of St. John.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I will welcome any quotations that are applicable to the matter in question. However, I point out this circumstance. At all times it has been made clear that this matter would be brought before parliament. At no time was there any suggestion whatsoever that parliament should be by-passed. What was made abundantly clear was this. The general plan would be worked out with the provinces to present to parliament and at the earliest possible date the legislation and the particular estimate would be made available to parliament. That has been done as definitely and as clearly as the constitution will permit and also as the exigencies of the moment in western Canada require.

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William Moore Benidickson

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

Will the Prime Minister permit a question?

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Yes.

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William Moore Benidickson

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

In his absence the Minister of Agriculture has indicated that payments are actually being made in all the provinces. Does the Prime Minister suggest that this matter has not been worked out?

Advance Payments to Grain Producers

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I simply point out that the general plan had been arrived at to be placed before parliament. In no way in the slightest degree was there any action on my part or on anyone's part that denies the right of parliament or the assurance of the fullest opportunity to parliament. I am not going to deal with this matter at the moment. However, I say to my hon. friend that from time to time he makes disparaging references to Mr. Bennett and to his memory. He is the last member in this house who should cast disparagement on the memory of one whom he knew so well.

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Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Marlin (Essex East):

Will the right hon. gentleman refer to one thing that I said that would be disparaging of the personality of Mr. Bennett?

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Yes.

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An hon. Member:

The blank cheque.

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Peter Francis Martin

Mr. Marlin (Essex Easl):

Of course Mr. Bennett was guilty of the blank cheque. Mr. Bennett on occasion was as guilty of dictatorship as is the Prime Minister.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I am not going into that matter. I think the hon. gentleman will recall no one who was as friendly to him as was that distinguished prime minister.

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Peter Francis Martin

Mr. Marlin (Essex Easl):

That is right.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

He does not deserve to have disparagement cast on him so frequently as has been the case on the part of the hon. gentleman. I make that point clear.

I simply rose to say this, Mr. Chairman. We endeavoured to bring about at the earliest possible date the introduction of measures to benefit the western farmers in their circumstances. We discussed with the various provinces the plan which we would submit. That plan is before them. If it is not in keeping with the wishes of parliament, then all that hon. gentlemen opposite have to do is vote against it in order to say that the benefits to the farmers shall not be paid.

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January 19, 1960