July 18, 1959

PC

Jacques Flynn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flynn:

Certainly, Mr. Chairman.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Would the hon. member support conditional grants provided they be earmarked for research purposes or for laboratory construction, as was mentioned by a report published in the Montreal Gazette in September 1958?

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PC

Jacques Flynn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flynn:

Mr. Chairman, I thought I had made myself clear in this regard when I said that this was not my opinion-

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?

An hon. Member:

Tell him in English.

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PC

Jacques Flynn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flynn:

-but an opinion expressed by someone else. I certainly think that regular and annual subsidy grants for those purposes are unconstitutional.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Mr. Chairman, would the hon. member let me ask him a second and final question?

If the grants are gifts and are unconstitutional, as he just said, why is he voting in favour of grants to universities?

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PC

Jacques Flynn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Flynn:

Mr. Chairman, the fact of voting in favour of an item, or of not voting at all, or of voting against an item, can be interpreted in different ways. If some members felt that the vote requested by the opposition would create division, I believe that they could, in good faith, vote in favour of those grants, while considering them unconstitutional.

I think that we can put our trust in this government as long as it keeps trying to find a solution. This changes absolutely nothing to the opinion that one may express. You can give whatever interpretation you like to votes cast for or against those grants.

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Item agreed to. Miscellaneous grants- 125. Canadian association of consumers, $10,000.


CCF

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Herridge:

Mr. Chairman, I have been quiescent for some time which perhaps justifies my speaking briefly on this item and saying at short length what I intended to say

at far greater length. May I say before proceeding that you will never find anyone in this group voting for an item which we consider unconstitutional.

This item represents a good investment. This organization has done excellent work since its formation in 1947 at which time it was sponsored by leading national women's organizations across Canada. It has several objectives including improvement of living standards of the people; the study of consumer problems; the dissemination of information; the exchange of ideas between the organization and government, the agricultural producers, and trade and industry; the carrying on of a campaign of education and research; and making representations to the government when it sees fit. The organization publishes a bulletin approximately 10 months a year containing much valuable information. In recent months the association has been considering the possibility of attempting to persuade the government to establish a consumer's bureau within some department of government which arises out of the limited funds of the organization which restricts its ability to do research work and because more and more Canadians are interested in the cost of living and standards of quality.

More is done in the United States than in Canada in this direction. In that country there are two non-profit organizations, the consumers' union and the consumers' bulletin organization, which have considerable funds at their disposal which have permitted them to undertake extensive research into standards of quality and in subjects in which the housewife would be particularly interested.

In view of the demonstrated excellent work done by the Canadian Association of Consumers would the government give consideration to the establishment of a consumers bureau within some department of government, even working in co-operation with the Canadian Association of Consumers, with a view to extending the work done by this organization? This could be achieved as a result of some extension of the work done by the national research council. The establishment of a bureau would be a step in the right direction to achieve some of the things we are trying to achieve through legislation such as that which might be brought up at a later stage in this evening's business. Would the minister comment on my suggestion?

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton):

Mr. Chairman,

under the circumstances I wonder if my hon. friend would be content if I were to say that I have taken due note of his observations.

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Item agreed to. Supply-Finance 126. Institute of public administration of Canada,


CCF

William Arnold Peters (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Peiers:

Would the minister explain the appropriation not required?

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinion):

This item of $37,500 for 1958-59 was a grant to the national conference of Canadian universities as a contribution toward the cost of holding the congress of universities of the British commonwealth in Canada in 1958.

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Item agreed to. General administration- 511. Comptroller of the treasury-central office and branch offices administration-further amount required, $155,000.


L L

William Moore Benidickson

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

Mr. Chairman, would the minister give a statement about his views concerning salary increases for the civil service after two years in office?

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinion):

Mr. Chairman, in response to the hon. member's question there is really nothing I can usefully add on this subject to what I have said in the house in recent days in reply to questions on this subject.

The matter was reviewed by the pay research bureau, as it is doing constantly. The civil service commission has carried out studies based on the report to date of the pay research bureau. I have had opportunity to discuss this matter with the civil service commission and am still in the course of doing so.

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William Moore Benidickson

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

I believe the civil service commission has completed its report to the minister. Would he be able to summarize the report he has received?

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming (Eglinion):

No, Mr. Chairman, I do not think it would be proper to disclose the contents of that report at this point when it is still under discussion between the commission and the Minister of Finance, to whom the commission submits such reports.

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Item agreed to. General items of payroll costs including superannuation payments- 513. Government's share of medical-surgical insurance premiums, determined on such bases and paid in respect of such persons (and their dependents) who hold offices or positions or perform services the remuneration for which is payable out of the consolidated revenue fund or by an agent of Her Majesty or who are contributors as defined in the Public Service Superannuation Act or who are members of the Canadian forces or the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as the governor in council prescribes, $3,500,000.


LIB

George James McIlraith

Liberal

Mr. Mcllrailh:

Mr. Chairman, could the minister tell us if it is intended that this

Supply-Finance

subject matter shall be dealt with by legislation at the next session or will it be continued as an item in the estimates from year to year?

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July 18, 1959