April 22, 1959

STARRED QUESTIONS

HILLCREST HOUSING COMPANY, SUMMERSIDE, P.E.I.

LIB

Mr. Pickersgill

Liberal

1. Has the Hillerest Housing Company of Sum-merside, Prince Edward Island, made any arrangements with the Department of National Defence or any other department to provide rental housing for personnel of the armed forces?

2. If so, what is the nature of these arrangements?

3. Has the said company received a loan from Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation in respect of these housing units?

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   HILLCREST HOUSING COMPANY, SUMMERSIDE, P.E.I.
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PC

Henri Courtemanche (Secretary of State of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Henri Couriemanche (Secretary of State):

Mr. Speaker, the answer to the three parts of this question are as follows:

1. Yes.

2. From vote 732 of the 1956-57 supplementary estimates an amount not to exceed $870,015 was made available toward the construction of housing units. The terms and conditions relating to the financing of the construction and leasing of 100 housing units for personnel of the R.C.A.F. station at Summerside, Prince Edward Island, are set forth in orders in council P.C. 1958-29/1386 and P.C. 1956-2/1368.

3. No Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation loan has been made. However, the corporation as agent for the Department of National Defence under authority of order in council P.C. 1956-1495 of October 3, 1956, disburses and administers the Department of National Defence loan as set forth in order in council P.C. 1958-29/1386.

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   HILLCREST HOUSING COMPANY, SUMMERSIDE, P.E.I.
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C.N.R.-REMOVAL OF FACILITIES FROM SMITHERS, B.C.

LIB

Mr. Howard

Liberal

1. Are steps being taken by the Canadian National Railways to move any part of its facilities or equipment from the present location at Smithers, British Columbia, to some other place?

2. If so, what specific facilities, equipment or machinery is to be moved, upon what date and to where?

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   C.N.R.-REMOVAL OF FACILITIES FROM SMITHERS, B.C.
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PC

George Harris Hees (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. George H. Hees (Minister of Transport):

Mr. Speaker, the management of the Canadian National Railways advise me that the answer to part 1 is no, other than that the railway is contemplating moving from

Smithers to The Past the stationary boiler used for heating purposes and replacing it with an automatic furnace.

Part 2 is answered by the answer to part 1.

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   C.N.R.-REMOVAL OF FACILITIES FROM SMITHERS, B.C.
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CANADIAN OBSERVER AT MEETING

LIB

Mr. Cardin

Liberal

1. Is an observer in attendance for Canada at the 27th session of ECOSOC in Mexico City?

2. If so, who is the observer and for what duration will he attend?

3. Has any such observer any other person to assist him in his task?

4. Has Canada had such persons in attendance on other occasions when Canada was not a member of ECOSOC?

5. If so, who were they and at what sessions were they present?

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN OBSERVER AT MEETING
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PC

John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Right Hon. J. G. Diefenbaker (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, the answer to part 1 of this question is yes. The answer to part 2 is that Dr. R. P. Vivian, the hon. member for Durham, is attending the meetings for the period of the main discussions.

3. Yes; Mr. John Hadwen, a member of the staff of the Canadian permanent mission to the United Nations in New York. Officials of our embassy in Mexico City are also available to assist if required.

4. Canadian observers have been present at previous sessions of the economic and social council when Canada was not a member. All such sessions were held at United Nations headquarters either in New York or Geneva. The sessions were followed by the Canadian permanent representatives in New York and Geneva, and by members of their staffs.

5. During the period that Canada was not a member of ECOSOC (1949, 1953-55 inclusive) the Canadian permanent representatives in New York and Geneva were as follows:

New York: 1949, General McNaughton;

1953-55, D. M. Johnson.

Geneva: 1949, Paul E. Renaud, (deputy representative); 1952-53, Bruce M. Williams, (acting permanent representative); 1953-55, Hector Allard, (permanent representative).

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CANADIAN OBSERVER AT MEETING
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REPORT OF DR. CLARK-RECOMMENDATIONS

LIB

Mr. Marlin (Essex East)

Liberal

Has the government received from Professor Clark recommendations either verbally or in writing arising from the study into old age security?

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   REPORT OF DR. CLARK-RECOMMENDATIONS
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PC

Jay Waldo Monteith (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. J. W. Monleilh (Minister of National Health and Welfare):

The answer is no, Mr. Speaker.

Starred Questions

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   REPORT OF DR. CLARK-RECOMMENDATIONS
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CONSUMER PRICES ON DAIRY PRODUCTS

LIB

Mr. Mcllraiih

Liberal

What was the average price to the Canadian consumer (basis Montreal market) for each of the following commodities, during period January 1, 1958 to March 12, 1959: (i) cheese; (ii) skim milk

powder: (a) spray process; (b) roller process;

(iii) egg powder; (iv) egg melange; (v) shell eggs?

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CONSUMER PRICES ON DAIRY PRODUCTS
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Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. D. S. Harkness (Minister of Agriculture):

This question apparently is asking for the average retail prices in Montreal for a variety of agricultural products. This is a statistic which we do not have in the department. It would involve, of course, taking the daily prices in all the stores in Montreal in order to secure it, and I think it is apparent that this is the kind of thing we cannot produce. I think the hon. member could get this information for himself fairly well by looking over the pages of the Montreal newspapers, and looking at the advertising of the groceterias there, which would give the prices of those commodities from day to day. He could get the information perhaps better in that way than in any other way.

There is one thing I would point out, Mr. Speaker, namely that as far as egg melange is concerned, it is not sold to the retail trade; it is sold to bakeries.

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   CONSUMER PRICES ON DAIRY PRODUCTS
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R.C.M.P. REINFORCEMENTS, NFLD.-PROTESTS TO MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO

LIB

Mr. Pickersgill

Liberal

1. Has the Minister without Portfolio from Newfoundland received any communications protesting against the failure of the government to send Royal Canadian Mounted Police reinforcements to Newfoundland? If so, how many?

2. What is the nature of reply, if any, made by the minister to such communications?

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   R.C.M.P. REINFORCEMENTS, NFLD.-PROTESTS TO MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Hon. members will note that this question asks the Minister without Portfolio (Mr. Browne) whether he has received communications protesting against the failure of the government to send Royal Canadian Mounted Police reinforcements to Newfoundland and, if so, how many. The second part of the question reads;

What is the nature of reply, if any, made by the minister to such communications?

Although the Minister without Portfolio might wish to reply, this question seems to me to be outside our practice and I would not like to have it put and create a precedent. I wish to give the house my views on the question by referring them to paragraph 1 of standing order 39, which provides that:

Questions may be placed on the order paper seeking information from ministers of the crown relating to public affairs; and from other members, relating to any bill, motion, or other puhlic matter connected with the business of the house, in which such members may be concerned.

In citation 178, in his fourth edition, Beau-chesne comments on this rule as follows:

Questions addressed to ministers should relate to the public affairs with which they are officially connected, to proceedings pending in parliament, or to any matter of administration for which the minister is responsible.

In citation 171, paragraph (x), the same author states:

A question oral or written must not deal with an action of a minister for which he is not responsible to parliament.

Then turning to May 16th edition, this is said at page 356 under "Questions to Ministers":

Questions addressed to ministers should relate to the public affairs with which they are officially connected, to proceedings pending in parliament, or to matters of administration for which they are responsible. Within these limits an explanation can be sought regarding the intentions of the government, but not an expression of their opinion upon matters of policy. A question should be addressed to the minister who is primarily responsible, and misdirected questions are -transferred by the clerks at the table on the notification of the departments concerned.

Then Campion at page 151, under the heading "Responsibility of Minister", observes as follows:

A question should be directed to a minister officially responsible for the subject matter with which it deals.

A little later on he says that one type of prohibited question is:

Putting to a minister a question for which another minister is more directly responsible or asking one minister to influence the action of another.

Finally Redlich, who is a very authoritative commentator, says in The Procedure of the House of Commons, volume 2, page 243:

A question must be precisely formulated and must be addressed to the minister who is officially connected with the matters to which it relates.

While this is perhaps not a serious matter, I feel we should keep our practice within the established limits rather than going beyond them, and it is therefore my view that a question relating to this subject matter of the R.C.M.P. ought to be addressed to the Minister of Justice. The question in this form does not appear to me to be appropriate.

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   R.C.M.P. REINFORCEMENTS, NFLD.-PROTESTS TO MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Lionel Chevrier (Laurier):

Would

Your Honour allow me to make one observation? I would not, of course, want to challenge the decision or interpretation of the rule which Your Honour has given but, if I may, I should like to draw Your Honour's attention to citation 178 in Beauchesne, fourth edition, which I think can perhaps be interpreted in more than one way. It reads as follows:

Questions addressed to ministers should relate to the public affairs with which they are officially connected, to proceedings pending- in parliament-

I do not think there can be any doubt but that this question does relate to a public affair with which not only one minister but all ministers are officially connected, as well as to proceedings pending in parliament. It is true, sir, that the last part of the citation reads as follows:

-or to any matter of administration for which the minister is responsible.

Within that term the minister would not be called upon to answer the question. With that I agree, but in so far as the other two points are concerned it would seem to me that he does, and I think the "or" puts a different interpretation on it. I simply wanted to bring this to your attention.

Topic:   STARRED QUESTIONS
Subtopic:   R.C.M.P. REINFORCEMENTS, NFLD.-PROTESTS TO MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO
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April 22, 1959