February 1, 1958

CCF

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. H. W. Herridge (Kootenay West):

Mr. Speaker, as a member of a group that is not in a state of nerves I want to address a question to the minister who informs us repeatedly that he is doing all he can to prevent the imposition of tariffs on lead and zinc by the government of the United States. I refer, of course, to the Minister of Trade and Commerce.

In view of the minister's statement to the house yesterday that Hon. John Bracken had been appointed by the government to undertake an inquiry into the distribution of box cars, and in view of traditional Conservative and Churchillian insistence on the correct usage of titles, orders and other honours, would the minister inform the house when Mr. Bracken was appointed a member of the privy council?

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg Norlh Centre):

When he became a Tory.

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gordon Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, had there been proper recognition of the position of leader of the opposition in this house when Mr. John Bracken was here he would have been immediately appointed a member of the privy council.

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LIB
PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

I used the expression "honourable" in connection with Mr. Bracken's name as a title which he richly deserves, having served for 20 years as premier of the province of Manitoba-

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An hon. Member:

As a Liberal.

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

-and leader of the opposition in this house.

[Mr. Churchill.)

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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. Tucker:

Then why not take him into the privy council?

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

I can assure the hon. member who has asked the question that if his conduct in the future is similar to that of Mr. Bracken I would be pleased to refer to him as "honourable".

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CCF

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Herridge:

A supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Will the minister admit that in the legal and greater Churchillian sense his use of the title was incorrect?

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

No, he will not admit it.

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

I was not indicating that Mr. Bracken was a member of the privy council. I used the title as a matter of respect and out of courtesy to him.

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LIB

Lester Bowles Pearson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Oh, oh.

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REQUEST FOR TABLING OF ORDER IN COUNCIL


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. W. A. Tucker (Rosihern):

Mr. Speaker, may I direct a question to the Minister of Trade and Commerce. Is the minister now prepared to table the order in council appointing Mr. Bracken to inquire into the box car situation, in order that the house and country may know the scope of his authority and all that is connected with it and as to what he is to inquire into? I may say that this is not a matter of curiosity on my part but is a question about which the country would like to know. The people of this country are interested in knowing about some of the things the government is doing.

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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gordon Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, the government has disclosed to the general satisfaction of the country the things it is doing.

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LIB
PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

The order in council was tabled at eleven o'clock.

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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. Tucker:

May I direct a question to the Minister of Trade and Commerce. The order in council with regard to the matter I asked him about was apparently tabled at eleven o'clock this morning, but it purports to have been signed on January 31, 1958. I would ask him if, when he made the announcement yesterday, the order in council already was signed and, if so, why he did not table it when he was asked to do so on the floor of the house.

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February 1, 1958