January 24, 1958

PC

Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Mr. Chairman, I would just say that of course I do not agree with the interpretation placed upon the Prime Minister's remarks by the hon. member who has just taken his seat and the interpretation which is being placed on it by certain other people.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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SC

Victor Quelch

Social Credit

Mr. Quelch:

Let me point out that I did not place any interpretation upon them at all. The words I read were the Prime Minister's own words, and I am merely asking the Minister of Agriculture whether or not he agrees with the Prime Minister's words, yes or no. He has tried to sidestep that question.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Mr. Chairman, as I have pointed out before, this bill provides for and carries out to the letter all the election pledges we made and all the statements made by the Prime Minister with regard to support prices for agricultural products. I have them right before me in this book which was put out during the election campaign. I put them on the record here and the Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources put them on the record again yesterday or the day before. He pointed out how every one of those pledges has been met and carried out, or will be met and carried out by this legislation.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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SC

Victor Quelch

Social Credit

Mr. Quelch:

Does the minister agree with the Prime Minister? The minister seems to be kind of dull today.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Just today?

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
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SC

Victor Quelch

Social Credit

Mr. Quelch:

I have asked him the simple question as to whether or not he agrees with the stand put on the Hansard record by the Prime Minister. Does he agree with that stand or does he not? That is all; surely he can say yes or no.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Mr. Chairman, I think I have made it abundantly clear-

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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?

Some hon. Members:

No.

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CCF

Alexander Malcolm Nicholson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Nicholson:

He cannot say yes or no.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

-that this bill carries out everything the Prime Minister said and naturally, therefore, I agree with it.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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SC

Victor Quelch

Social Credit

Mr. Quelch:

We now have the spectacle of the Minister of Agriculture bitterly criticizing the fixed base period for parity and then saying he agrees with the Prime Minister who has advocated a fixed base period. Just how inconsistent can the Minister of Agriculture become?

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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LIB

Joseph-Adéodat Blanchette

Liberal

Mr. Blanchette:

At this late stage of this measure I do not intend to make very extended remarks in connection with the bill before us. There is one thing that can be said, namely that all hon. members are seized with the fact that surely something should be done for agriculture. The difficulty seems to be as to the methods to be adopted to ameliorate the condition of the farmer. I will not expound the axiom that agriculture is badly in need of assistance; that is recognized by each and every one of us. It is also known that agriculture seems to be the poor daughter in the family of our economy. I might state further that to my way of thinking, no matter how long we try to compare the present act with this bill we will be getting adeptes for the former bill and also adeptes for the

Agricultural Products-Price Stabilization present bill, but we are now dealing with the present bill and the discussion should be directed to this bill.

My purpose in rising this afternoon, Mr. Chairman, is to make a suggestion to the Minister of Agriculture. I feel that he is sincere in his efforts, and I know he has in mind the bettering of agriculture generally. With that aim in view, the suggestion I would like to make this afternoon is this. I noted this morning that during the remarks the minister made in connection with some of the suggestions which were brought out by hon. members the suggestion was made that perhaps pulpwood could be included in this bill. I believe the minister stated, and rightly so, that to a certain extent pulpwood comes more under provincial jurisdiction than federal. However, we have had striking examples in the past of measures adopted by the federal government that dealt especially with matters of provincial jurisdiction, and I am wondering whether it would not be possible for interviews to be held with some of the provincial governments for the purpose of having pulpwood included under this measure.

The purpose of the legislation no doubt is to ameliorate the conditions of the farmers in a general way, and I feel that no measure could be more beneficial to the farmers of Quebec and Ontario than, if pulpwood should be included under the legislation. I do not intend to move an amendment to that effect, knowing full well that such an amendment would be ruled out of order, but I humbly and sincerely suggest to the Minister of Agriculture again that he should reconsider his statement of this morning with a view to bringing pulpwood within the terms of the bill.

Topic:   AGRICULTURE
Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

I do not quite understand the remarks the hon. member just made, in which he suggested that I should reconsider my remarks of this morning. I did not say that pulpwood was not included. I said I did not think it was proper to include it as one of the named commodities, which are nine in number now and would be ten if pulpwood were included.

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LIB

Joseph-Adéodat Blanchette

Liberal

Mr. Blanchette:

I took it that the minister stated this morning that this was more a matter of provincial than federal jurisdiction and that the minister said pulpwood would not be included. The purpose of my remarks this afternoon was to have him reconsider that statement if he did make it.

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Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness (Minister of Agriculture)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

I did not say anything of the kind. I said it was not appropriate, as I repeat, to include it as one of the named commodities, but the bill applies to any agricultural commodity. What I said about

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Agricultural Products-Price Stabilization provincial jurisdiction in connection with pulpwood was that the provincial governments had it within their power to ensure very readily that farmers got a reasonable price for their pulpwood, much more readily than we can as a federal government.

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Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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PC

Charles Alexander (Sandy) Best

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Best:

Mr. Chairman, I should like to take a few moments this afternoon at the committee stage of the bill, and I am delighted to have this opportunity to say a few words. I feel that this legislation will help the farmers of our country very greatly. As a matter of fact, I was talking to a prominent farmer from my own riding less than an hour ago, and I asked him how the bill was being received back home. He told me that it was being received with great favour and great interest, and was regarded on all sides as a forward step in agriculture. I should like to congratulate the minister for his sincere and hard-working efforts at this time.

It is interesting to note that the hon. member for Compton-Frontenac spoke with some quietness this afternoon. I do not think that can be said of members in other parts of the house. From the hon. member for Acadia we had much sound and increasing fury, but also a mention of dullness. I do not think that dullness and sound and fury taken together are at all inconsistent, and I think these characteristics have been most evident in the case of members in the two far corners of the house-

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Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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CCF

Willis Merwyn (Merv) Johnson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Johnson (Kindersley):

When you have been here as long as the hon. member for Acadia you can say that.

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PC

Charles Alexander (Sandy) Best

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Best:

-representing the two smaller parties in the house. We have heard the hon. member for Kindersley time and time again.

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CCF

Willis Merwyn (Merv) Johnson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Johnson (Kindersley):

You will hear him again, too.

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Subtopic:   MEASURE TO PROVIDE GUARANTEED PRICES FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, ETC.
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PC

Charles Alexander (Sandy) Best

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Best:

We heard him take credit this afternoon for the amendments made to the first bill that was introduced, and Social Credit speakers have done the same thing. I wonder if this is not a sort of covering up, a sort of guaranteeing, a sort of interesting balancing act so they can put themselves sufficiently on the right side in case the legislation should prove beneficial to the people of the country.

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January 24, 1958