January 23, 1958

PC

James MacKerras Macdonnell (Minister Without Portfolio)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Macdonnell:

-had pointed out that the Minister of National Revenue had denied that statement, as I heard him do also, the hon. member for Laurier laughed and went on to say, as I understood him, that the denial of the minister should not be taken as against a statement in the press.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I simply repeat what I said earlier, that I am not given to laughing; but I am going to laugh now at the statements made by the Minister without Portfolio, because there is no minister in the house who can put the members of the house to sleep faster than he can.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

There are two questions of privilege now before the house at the same time, and I see that the Minister of Transport has another one. Before I hear him I think I should say this. I do not think members ought to be unduly thinskinned at this time in the session. Unless a direct imputation of some impropriety is made against a specific individual in the house I would prefer that members not consider that a matter of personal privilege. If there is an imputation made against a specific minister, yes. Having said that, I shall be glad to hear what the Minister of Transport has to say.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

George Harris Hees (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. George H. Hees (Minisier of Transport):

I am not thinskinned at all, Mr. Speaker. After a few years in this political life you learn not to be. I believe I explained very carefully to the hon. member for Laurier exactly what I said and what I did not say in the house and at Montebello yesterday.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

There is a rule against repetition.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

We dealt with that matter. If the hon. member for Laurier was out of order in reverting to that particular matter, I would ask that the minister not follow his example, because at that time we were discussing a point which had been raised first by the Minister of Finance and then by the Minister of Trade and Commerce. Now, unless anyone feels very much aggrieved, I think we might pass on to the next order of business.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Now may I laugh?

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I interrupted the Minister of Transport. If he wishes to continue I will hear him.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

George Harris Hees (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

I thought the matter had been settled when the hon. member for Laurier sat down a few moments ago. However, he rose again-

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

It had been settled, and I would ask the Minister of Transport not to reopen it.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Clayton Wesley Hodgson (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Public Works)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hodgson:

He reopened it.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I consider that he reopened it improperly, and because he reopened it improperly does not mean it is proper to proceed with a discussion of it.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

George Harris Hees (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

Can I ask whether if a member rises and introduces something improperly, he is allowed to have it stand without being answered? I should like the privilege of answering him or having him withdraw, Mr. Speaker.

Inquiries of the Ministry

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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

What statement does the hon. May I ask the minister whether he is now member wish to have withdrawn as being a in a position to give that information, or breach of privilege? whether he would give it to us tomorrow?

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

George Harris Hees (Minister of Transport)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hees:

The hon. member for Laurier said I had denied making a different statement in Montebello from that which I made in the house yesterday. That is not the case at all. I made exactly the same statement in each place. I was asked by the hon. member for Laurier what comment I had to make on the statement made at Montebello regarding the setting aside of the charging of tolls for three or five years, and I said I did not make a comment on that particular suggestion. I gave the same answer in Montebello last night. My comment last night in my speech at Montebello was simply a general comment and had nothing to do with what the hon. member for Laurier said yesterday. It was simply a general expression of opinion and my feeling about this matter.

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Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Now the hon. member for Laurier would like to reply. This sort of discussion has no end. We heard both the original statement of the minister and the hon. member for Laurier, and they are on Hansard. I think it is a matter of opinion as to what is to be drawn from what they said. We do not achieve any purpose by having hon. members restate these things. If the hon. member will permit me to pass to something else, I shall proceed.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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CCF

Colin Cameron

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Colin Cameron (Nanaimo):

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of National Health and Welfare. In view of the evidence we have had this morning that the occupational disease which used to plague the former ministry now appears to have infected the present ministry, namely the occupational disease of being misreported in the press, would the minister instruct his department to seek a prophylactic measure against this malady?

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Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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CANADA SAVINGS BONDS, TWELFTH SERIES AMOUNT OF NEW MONEY REPRESENTED


On the orders of the day:


LIB

George Carlyle Marler

Liberal

Hon. George C. Marler (St. Antoine-Wesi-mount):

I should like to ask another question of the Minister of Finance. On December 12 he gave the members of the house information with regard to the sale of the twelfth series of Canada savings bonds. At that time I asked him whether he could tell us how much of the total he had mentioned represented new money. He said, as reported on page 2246 of Hansard:

Perhaps my hon. friend would allow me to give this figure precisely at the conclusion of the campaign.

Topic:   CANADA SAVINGS BONDS, TWELFTH SERIES AMOUNT OF NEW MONEY REPRESENTED
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January 23, 1958