January 23, 1958


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Chesley William Carter

Liberal

Mr. C. W. Carter (Burin-Burgeo):

Mr. Speaker, may I direct a question to the Minister of Finance. Is the minister now in a position to give some definite information as to the possible date when the tariff board may be expected to begin its hearings with respect to Newfoundland fluorspar?

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO TARIFF BOARD STUDY ON FLUORSPAR
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Donald M. Fleming (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, I have recently seen the tariff board's tentative schedule of hearings on the various references that are on its docket. I will refresh my memory on it and give my hon. friend a complete answer. May I just say to him that fluorspar, while of special interest in Newfoundland, does affect other parts of Canada as well.

Inquiries of the Ministry

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO TARIFF BOARD STUDY ON FLUORSPAR
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DEFICIT BUDGET

ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE


On the orders of the day:


LIB

George Carlyle Marler

Liberal

Hon. George C. Marler (St. Anloine-Wesl-mount):

I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Finance. Can he tell the house whether when his colleague the Minister of National Revenue was addressing a dinner meeting of the business paper editors' association and said that he personally thought a deficit budget of half a billion dollars a year for the next two years was a realistic possibility, he was speaking on behalf of the government and announcing government policy, or merely forecasting a drop in the revenues which his department collects?

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Donald M. Fleming (Minister of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, neither my hon. friend nor I were present on the occasion in question. Having seen this reference in the newspapers I asked my colleague the Minister of National Revenue about it. As my hon. friend knows, the minister is away ill at the moment. My colleague asserted most emphatically that he never made any such statement as was attributed to him in the press.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

That is what you all say; you never make these statements.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The Minister of National Revenue is very truthful, and I do not think it becomes the hon. member for Laurier to laugh or make silly gibes. The fact is that the Minister of National Revenue has most emphatically denied making the statement attributed to him in the press article quoted by the hon. member for St. Antoine-Westmount.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Lionel Chevrier (Laurier):

On a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker; I am not usually given to laughing when statements are made by ministers, but when statements are reproduced in the press, then I think it is the privilege of any hon. member to take what appears there as being accurate until it has been denied. I am quite within my rights in interrupting the hon. member as I did a moment ago and saying that not only the Minister of National Revenue but other ministers are denying statements they have made outside of the house.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The point that is wrong with the statement just made by the hon. member is that his laughter and gibe came after the denial that the statement had been made, and not before. They had nothing to do with a question.

Inquiries of the Ministry

Hon. Gordon Churchill (Minister of Trade

and Commerce): On a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for Laurier has just said that other ministers are denying statements they have made outside the house. I think the hon. member will have to withdraw that statement.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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LIB
PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

I rose on a question of privilege this morning and labelled as false some statements in the press that I never made. Now the hon. member for Laurier is saying that ministers of the crown are denying statements they have made outside of the house. If he was referring to me I ask him to withdraw.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Mr. Speaker, I have no intention of withdrawing anything I have said this morning. When I made that statement earlier I was referring to a speech made by the Minister of Transport. I was simply stating, in effect, that what the Minister of Transport refused to give by way of information to this house yesterday, he went to a meeting of the dominion marine association elsewhere and proceeded to give. I was commenting on that, and surely a member of the house has a right to rise and make some such comment without another hon. member getting up and making insinuations such as the Minister of Trade and Commerce has made. I repeat to him that I have no intention of withdrawing.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

James MacKerras Macdonnell (Minister Without Portfolio)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Macdonnell:

Mr. Speaker-

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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Some hon. Members:

Order. Sit down.

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Is the hon. member rising on the same question of privilege, or another one?

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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PC

James MacKerras Macdonnell (Minister Without Portfolio)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. J. M. Macdonnell (Minister without Portfolio):

I wish to point out that after the Minister of Finance-

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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L L

William Moore Benidickson

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

Is this order, privilege or what?

Topic:   DEFICIT BUDGET
Subtopic:   ALLEGED STATEMENT BY MINISTER OF NATIONAL REVENUE
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January 23, 1958