January 14, 1958

PC

Howard Charles Green (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Mr. Speaker, this is one of the unfortunate features which-

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Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I have come to the conclusion that this debate should not be allowed. Unless the hon. member wishes to address himself to something else I think perhaps he would not want to be heard again. Perhaps I do the minister an injustice; he may wish to change his mind and speak again.

The motion is made under standing order 26, which permits a motion for the adjournment of the house when made for the purpose of discussion of a definite matter of urgent public importance. I will not deal with the preliminary point of order because it is unnecessary to deal with it in the view I take of the motion itself.

However, I would say this without referring to the authorities or the practice in the past. Even when orders of the day are called by the Speaker, it seems to me that we have not yet entered upon the business of the

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house until the first order is read. The house is still in the interval between routine proceedings and orders of the day. I do not see how it can be otherwise. It is in that period when questions are addressed to the ministry, which questions we shall have in a moment or two, and when motions of this kind are to be made. That is my view at this time but, as I say, I do not need to decide that point in order to deal with the matter before the house. I shall therefore leave that question open and look into it further.

That the motion itself raises a matter of great public urgency, there is no doubt. I am sure all members of the house appreciate the fact that there is little that is of greater importance to the house and to the country than unemployment and its incidence in the country. But it is a situation which develops slowly and, as far as I have been able to judge in the past, it is one that can be dealt with only deliberately and through the course of time.

Therefore if there is opportunity to discuss the matter in the house it does not seem to me that it is something which has to be dealt with today, and for which we should interrupt the regular routine of the business of the house. There has been a great deal of talk about the unemployment situation during this session, and I am sure there will be a great deal more, without allowing this additional debate which will interfere with the planned routine of the business of the house. Hence I do not consider it a debate which should be entered upon at this stage.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Lionel Chevrier (Laurier):

Mr. Speaker, I rise not to discuss your ruling but rather on a point of order, in order to bring to the attention of the Minister of Finance a statement which he made a moment ago, and which is entirely foreign to us on this side of the house, when he said that all of us were aware that on Monday we were to take up a motion to go into supply. Certainly I have received no notice of that intention and my friend the house leader will, I am sure, tell the minister so. It is perhaps some indication of the information which our house leader wishes to give us and has not given us thus far.

My only purpose in rising is to say that I do not want to sit here and have the Minister of Finance make that kind of statement when I know it is not correct. We have received no such notice, and until we do-

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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PC

Howard Charles Green (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

That was one of the points with which I intended to deal before Your Honour made the very acceptable decision which you did make.

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I had discussed informally with the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre the probability that there would be a supply motion next week. I had no discussion, however, to that effect with the hon. member for Laurier, because it was in the future; but these are the things which happen when we have to try to arrange the business among the representatives of the various parties. Nobody has been guilty of any bad faith; there was simply that discussion with the hon. member, and I do not doubt that he did not pass it on to the leader of his party. There was not intended to be any firm commitment as to what the actual business would be.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I was not suggesting for one moment that there was any bad faith on the part of anyone. The statement I was making was this, that if we could be informed from time to time in this house of what the business is going to be for two or three days or even for a week ahead, as was done under the previous administration, it would facilitate the business of the house.

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Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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PC

George Clyde Nowlan (Minister of National Revenue)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nowlan:

You are further ahead than we ever were.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

You should not be talking so loudly; keep your patience.

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PC

Howard Charles Green (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

I was in opposition for 22 years-

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LIB

Jean Lesage

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

Yes, and you are going back very soon.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I am afraid you are.

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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I must ask hon. members not to engage in a debate as to what has happened in the past. Does the house leader wish to make any statement at this time about the proposed business for Monday, or shall we proceed to other matters?

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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PC

Howard Charles Green (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

What I really wish to raise is a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker. Allegations have been made from time to time that the official opposition is not being given as much notice as it should be given with respect to business. I would merely point out that it is being given far more notice this year than we were ever given while we were in opposition.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I think we have some indication, Mr. Speaker, of the co-operation we are getting when the house leader himself says that he discussed the business for Monday with one of the party leaders in the house, but that he said nothing to me. That is conclusive evidence of the manner in which we

on this side of the house are being treated. Last night the hon. member for Bonavista-Twillingate (Mr. Pickersgill)-

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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

I would like to raise a question of privilege, Mr. Speaker.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I hope it is not the question of privilege which is now occupying the house.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

No.

My question of privilege, Mr. Speaker, relates to the reference which was made to me by the Minister of Public Works. The difference between us as to what transpired is not great, but I think it should be made clear as to what actually transpired.

The minister said he had a discussion with me as to the probability or possibility of a supply motion next week. I think he will agree, and I have checked with one or two of my colleagues who overheard the discussion- because the minister sat over here when we had it-that what the minister made clear to me was that there would not be a supply motion this week and thus there would not be one earlier than next week, but at no time did he say that there would definitely be one next week. It was on that basis that I indicated to my colleagues that as yet we did not know for sure whether there would be a supply motion next week.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Official Opposition House Leader; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

It is a bit mixed up.

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Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
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January 14, 1958