January 14, 1958

CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Argue:

Mr. Speaker, on that point I understood the question asked by the hon. member for Melville was whether the same decision would be made covering seed grain as had been mdde generally on wheat. I have a further question to ask the minister, if I may. Can he say whether or not a second meeting is scheduled with the three western pools on this very subject at a later date?

Topic:   DEFICIENCY PAYMENTS TO WESTERN
Subtopic:   FARMERS
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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

I am not sure, Mr. Speaker. I had to leave the meeting yesterday a little early, and perhaps arrangements for a second meeting were made after I left. I have not heard of it.

Topic:   DEFICIENCY PAYMENTS TO WESTERN
Subtopic:   FARMERS
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CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Argue:

This question has been up many times. Can the minister say when an announcement on this question may be forthcoming? Will it be during this session?

Topic:   DEFICIENCY PAYMENTS TO WESTERN
Subtopic:   FARMERS
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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

Mr. Speaker, government policy will be announced in due course.

Topic:   DEFICIENCY PAYMENTS TO WESTERN
Subtopic:   FARMERS
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INQUIRY AS TO INTERIM PAYMENT ON


1956-57 crop On the orders of the day:


LIB

John Hornby Harrison

Liberal

Mr. J. H. Harrison (Meadow Lake):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to address a question to the Minister of Trade and Commerce, arising out of his statement yesterday that under his guidance grain sales had been accelerated out of all proportion compared with sales under the previous administration. If that is the case, why was an interim payment on wheat not made to western farmers in December? Will one be made at some time in the future, and when?

Unemployment

Topic:   INQUIRY AS TO INTERIM PAYMENT ON
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PC

Gordon Minto Churchill (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Gordon Churchill (Minisler of Trade and Commerce):

An interim payment was not made on wheat to farmers in December 1956, under the late and unlamented administration.

Topic:   INQUIRY AS TO INTERIM PAYMENT ON
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LABOUR CONDITIONS

UNEMPLOYMENT

CCF

Thomas Speakman Barnett

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. T. S. Barnett (Comox-Alberni):

Mr. Speaker, before you recognized the hon. member for Melville I was on my feet to ask leave, seconded by the hon. member for Regina City, to move the adjournment of the house under standing order 26 for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, namely the alarming unemployment situation now facing this country, as revealed yesterday by the Minister of Labour, and the need for immediate action to provide employment and alleviate the distress being suffered by a growing number of unemployed Canadians and their families.

Hon. Howard C. Green (Minisler of Public

Works): Mr. Speaker, may I submit to Your Honour that this motion is out of order. Under the provisions of standing order 26, subsection 1, a motion to adjourn the house such as the one now put before Your Honour by the hon. member for Comox-Alberni must be made after the ordinary daily routine of business. We have already passed that stage-

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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?

Some hon. Members:

No, no.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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PC

Howard Charles Green (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Progressive Conservative Party House Leader)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

-and are down to orders of the day. I submit that this motion is not in order.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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PC

Daniel Roland Michener (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Speaker:

I had not called orders of the day. I would be glad to hear the minister as to the urgency of the motion, as he appreciates that whether or not the house should interrupt its other work to discuss this matter depends on the urgency of debate. If he has anything to say on that subject I would be glad to hear him. Does any other hon. member wish to address himself to this matter before I decide whether or not this question should be submitted to the house?

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Donald M. Fleming (Minisler of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether or not you have determined the point of order which was raised by the leader of the house, but I should like to submit to you, before you dismiss the point he has raised, if that is your intention, that this point has been before the house on other occasions. It has been determined by your predecessors that if an hon. member waits until the Speaker has called the orders of the day, then he is too late.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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An hon. Member:

He was up.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The point has been well established for years that an hon. member must make such a motion before members begin to ask their questions on orders of the day. The hon. member may have been on his feet at the time, but the floor was given to another hon. member and that other hon. member proceeded to ask a question on the orders of the day. Under those circumstances, Mr. Speaker, while the hon. member may regret that you did not see him first or give him the floor first, the fact remains that under the decisions of your predecessors it is now too late for the hon. member to introduce his motion.

Now, as to whether or not the motion, had it been in order and on time, should be considered, may I draw to your attention the well established rule that what is of concern in such a motion is not the urgency of the particular matter but the urgency of debate. This subject is not new in the consideration of the house. At this session it has been discussed on not a few occasions. In so far as the opportunity for early debate is concerned, may I draw your attention to the fact that on Monday next, as has been indicated, it is the intention of the government to introduce a supply motion.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles (Winnipeg Norlh Centre):

When was that indicated?

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

My hon. friend is well aware of the fact that it was the intention of the government to introduce a supply motion next Monday. Mention was made of this in the house a few days ago. There is one supply motion left before the quota established by the rules for the present session is exhausted. I do not think my friend is going to convince anybody by feigning ignorance of the fact it was the intention of the government to introduce a supply motion next Monday. Whatever is in order amongst the matters any hon. member wishes to introduce can be introduced on that occasion, if not precluded by decisions made by the house at an earlier stage in the present session.

Therefore, Mr. Speaker, it cannot be argued seriously today that there is urgency of debate attached to this issue today. There will be ample opportunity, if the subject is in order for discussion at this session, for it to be introduced on Monday next.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. M. J. Coldwell (Roselown-Biggar):

May

I just say a word. In so far as rising at the right time is concerned, I point out to the minister, and I am sure Your Honour would understand this point, that when the right hon. member for Melville rose to speak I was under the impression, as I am sure every

member here was, that he was raising a question supplementary to the one that had been asked already of the Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources. As a result of that some confusion arose, but Your Honour had not yet called orders of the day; consequently the question was regarded as supplementary to the other questions that had been asked.

In view of the statement made by the Minister of Labour yesterday indicating that nearly 700,000 people were seeking work, or that over 700,000 people were seeking work, so far as the urgency of debate is concerned who is there who would deny that there is some urgency of discussion in this regard?

As for the third point made by my hon. friend the Minister of Finance, certainly I was quite unaware that any decision or any announcement had been made that there would be a supply motion next Monday. I had not heard about it. I do not think any member on this side of the house had been notified that such a debate was to arise on Monday next. Even if the announcement had been made-and I am quite sure it had not been made-there is no guarantee that such a debate would be held. Something else might intervene which would have set aside that debate or that opportunity.

Consequently I would say that on all counts the hon. member for Comox-Alberni raised this matter at the right time and in the right place, as far as we were able to gather from discussions which occurred; that there is urgency, and that we have no knowledge of a supply motion foreshadowed for next Monday or Tuesday.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   UNEMPLOYMENT
Sub-subtopic:   MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER 26
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January 14, 1958