December 11, 1957

CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. M. J. Coldwell (Roselown-Biggar):

What does the Prime Minister mean when he says they have deposited documents only in a general way? What does that mean exactly? Does it mean that we have deposited no documents which will have any bearing on the proposals that are being made by some other countries?

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

No. What I say is this. Instead of being specific with regard to some of the matters, such as the four matters referred to in the British presentation, our purpose at the NATO meeting will be to enunciate general objectives-

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Coldwell:

Has that been done?

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

-to the end that we will be able to discharge our responsibilities as a middle power in NATO and bring together those who today have their disagreements, all of which I think are generally known and require no elucidation.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Marlin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, may I take advantage of the statement by the Prime Minister to ask him a further question, particularly in view of the fact that this may be my last opportunity to do so. I think the house and the country will be very grateful for what the Prime Minister has just said in regard to seeking to give further effect to the implications of article 2 of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. In view of what the Prime Minister has said, therefore, will he not now state that the general attitude taken by the former secretary of state for external affairs, as one of a committee of three who examined the potentialities of the North Atlantic treaty in terms of article 2, is one that now affords to the right hon. gentleman an opportunity of placing before the NATO council the very constructive attitude which he has now put before this house.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker, over the years when we occupied the other side of the

Inquiries of the Ministry house we advanced most strongly our support of the intensification of the use of article 2. We pressed upon the then government the need of action is this regard. When the presentation of the three foreign ministers, to which the hon. member made reference, was made representations were made on behalf of Canada which had the support of members in every part of the country.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Mr. Martin (Essex East):

That is right.

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John George Diefenbaker (Prime Minister)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

In connection with article 2, I think, as one of the Canadian representatives, I will be able to speak with the assurance that every part of this house is in favour of a further extension of the application of that article.

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ATOMIC ENERGY


On the orders of the day:


PC

Sidney Earle Smith (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Sidney E. Smith (Secretary of State for External Affairs):

I wonder, Mr. Speaker, if I may make a statement. I desire to inform the house that there was signed earlier this morning an agreement with the Federal Republic of Germany for co-operation in the peaceful uses of atomic energy. The terms provide that the agreement shall come into force upon an exchange of notes to that effect, an exchange which the government intends to carry out later this month. With the leave of the house I shall cause to be deposited with the Clerk copies of the agreement in English and in French.

I do not intend to go into details of this agreement, but I desire to make some comments on it. The agreement was negotiated during September of this year on the basis of a draft prepared by Canada. That draft has been made available to a number of other governments which have expressed an interest in the possibility of concluding an agreement of this nature with Canada. We hope there will be a number of such agreements concluded before long. In this connection I might add that negotiations have been carried on with the government of Switzerland, and we are hopeful that the outcome will be successful and that an agreement with Switzerland will soon be forthcoming and brought into effect.

The agreement with Germany which has now been signed will provide for co-operation between the two countries on a reciprocal basis. That is to say, it does not envisage a

one-way traffic, but rather that each government will assist the other as appropriate and on a basis of equality. The co-operation

involved may take a variety of forms, including the exchange of information, the supply of equipment and materials, and access to and use of facilities. In particular, the agreement will permit arrangements to be made for the supply of uranium from Canada to Germany.

In all cases the activities involved must be directed solely to peaceful ends, and there is provision for adequate safeguards to ensure that materials such as uranium, which are essential to an atomic energy program, shall not be diverted to any military use. I emphasize this point, Mr. Speaker, that adequate safeguards to this end are assured. The safeguards provisions, I may add, are modelled closely upon those of the international atomic energy agency of the United Nations.

I desire at this point to say a few words about the relationship between such bilateral agreements and that agency, of which both Canada and the Federal Republic of Germany are members. Canada wholeheartedly supports the newly established international atomic energy agency, which is designed to encourage, to complement and to assist the efforts of governments, individually or in co-operation on a bilateral or multilateral basis, to develop and apply the peaceful uses of atomic energy. It is quite possible that when the agency is fully operative, as it is not now, the supply of such material as uranium from one country to another will frequently be arranged through it.

As I informed you a moment ago, the statute provides also for bilateral agreements. Provision is made in the statute of the international agency for safeguards in the case of bilateral agreements. The present agreement makes no explicit reference to such an arrangement; neither the international atomic energy agency nor any other suitable international body is yet in a position to apply safeguards, but the possibility of transferring the safeguards functions for which provision is made in the agreement to a mutually acceptable international body is one which could be raised by either party at a later date.

With the leave of the house I am depositing a copy of the agreement with the Clerk of the house.

The terms of the agreement provide that it shall come into force upon an exchange of notes to that effect. As I have already informed the house, it is our intention that this exchange should take place this month. We are confident that this agreement and others like it which may be negotiated with other friendly governments will be supported by all members of the house. I think we can

all agree that agreements of this kind, providing as they do for co-operation on a reciprocal basis, will come to play an important role in the development of the peaceful uses of atomic energy with consequent benefit to our friends and ourselves, and that such agreements will provide an additional market for Canadian uranium.

Finally, these intergovernmental agreements will not in themselves constitute contracts for the export of uranium from Canada. Rather they will establish conditions satisfactory to the two governments concerned under which such contracts may be concluded on a commercial basis between the appropriate governmental agencies in each country. The governmental agencies which will be responsible for the detailed operation of this agreement between West Germany and Canada and the negotiation of any contracts arising under it report to parliament through my colleague the Minister of Trade and Commerce. In view of the question addressed to me by the hon. member I am happy to make this statement in relation to the use of nuclear power for peaceful uses.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin

Liberal

Hon. Paul Martin (Essex East):

Mr. Speaker, will the Secretary of State for External Affairs say whether or not requests have come in from at least three other friendly countries, not referred to in my hon. friend's statement, altogether apart from the possible arrangements made in Switzerland?

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Sidney Earle Smith (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Smith (Haslings-Frontenac):

I know of two inquiries, and negotiations are going on. I ask permission of the house not to divulge the names of those countries. I can state, however, that there was hope that such an agreement might be negotiated with France, but they informed us that they were not interested in obtaining Canadian uranium on this basis.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, may I ask a supplementary question. Are there any negotiations between Canada and the Euratom group, as a unit, regarding this matter?

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Sidney Earle Smith (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Smith (Haslings-Frontenac):

Mr. Speaker, the Euratom group will become fully established for the first time on January 1, 1958.

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FINANCE


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Wilfrid Lacroix

Liberal

Mr. Wilfrid LaCroix (Quebec-Monlmorency):

Mr. Speaker, may I direct a question to the Minister of Finance. My question is, have steps been taken by the Department of

Inquiries of the Ministry Finance to have bilingual cheques issued by the department in all parts of Canada?

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Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Donald M. Fleming (Minister of Finance):

No, Mr. Speaker.

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LIB

Wilfrid Lacroix

Liberal

Mr. LaCroix:

Mr. Speaker, since the Minister of Finance did not take advantage of the opportunity of answering my first question-

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December 11, 1957