December 10, 1957


On the orders of the day:


PC

Frank Charles McGee

Progressive Conservative

Mr. F. C. McGee (York-Scarborough):

I

should like to address a question to the Minister of Justice. I have given the minister verbal notice of my intention to ask this question. Has the minister anything to announce concerning the matter of humane slaughter of animals in abattoirs?

Topic:   LIVESTOCK
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR LEGISLATION PROVIDING HUMANE METHODS OF SLAUGHTER
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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. E. D. Fulton (Minister of Justice):

thank the hon. member for giving me notice. I should say that I also have notice of a somewhat similar question from the hon. member for Okanagan Boundary (Mr. Christian), and I thank that hon. member for giving me notice of his intention to ask this question.

As hon. members know, there has been a very considerable agitation in connection with the subject of humane slaughter, and a very understandable one. Shortly after we assumed office we understood that a committee was being formed at the request of the Ontario S.P.C.A. and the meat packers' council to see whether a workable scheme of humane slaughter in the packing houses could be devised. The government made available to that committee, on a continuing basis, the service of some of its experts in the field and, at the request and with the understanding of the committee, the government did not take any further action in this matter because we understood that the committee wished to be left free to pursue its inquiries.

Some three weeks or a month ago, as I recall it, the committee said that it felt its inquiries could not continue to serve any useful purpose and, in effect, referred the matter back to the government. About three weeks ago I met with representatives of that committee and with the Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Harkness), at which time the matter was fully discussed.

I mention that background, Mr. Speaker, because I think it should be clearly understood that any suggestion of delay or lack of action in this matter cannot in any sense be fairly laid at the door of this government. Since that meeting, and since it has become clear that the committee felt it had no final solution to offer, we have been working on

Inquiries of the Ministry "the matter consistently and vigorously, and I hope shortly to be able to recommend certain action to my colleagues.

Topic:   LIVESTOCK
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR LEGISLATION PROVIDING HUMANE METHODS OF SLAUGHTER
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LIB

James Sinclair

Liberal

Hon. James Sinclair (Coasl-Capilano):

I

would like to ask a supplementary question of the Minister of Justice. Did the minister advise the British Columbia branch of the S.P.C.A. to write to their federal members rather than to their provincial members on the question of humane slaughter of livestock, on the grounds that only the federal government has jurisdiction in the matter?

Topic:   LIVESTOCK
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR LEGISLATION PROVIDING HUMANE METHODS OF SLAUGHTER
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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

Mr. Speaker, as far as I

recall I have had no conversations on the subject with any member of the British Columbia S.P.C.A. I am speaking here from recollection, but I have had conversations with the president of the British Columbia humane slaughter society and it was, as I understood it, in that capacity that I was speaking to him.

As I said a moment ago, this question of humane slaughter has been a matter of concern for some time. I have not had a chance to check my personal files, but my recollection is that a year or so ago I was discussing the matter with the president of the British Columbia humane slaughter society. He came down here and discussed with me, as a private member, what steps might be taken to deal with the matter and my recollection is that he asked whether I felt it would be appropriate for him to write to members of parliament. At that time I told him I saw no reason whatsoever why letters, on a matter of this importance, should not be addressed to federal members, private members as well as members of the government.

That was, as I say, according to my recollection about a year ago, and I do not believe I had any further conversations with him until the end of last week, when he again came to Ottawa and visited me in my capacity as Minister of Justice. At that time, as a result of other suggestions and of the public interest in the matter, it was already a fact that private members as well as members of this government were receiving a large volume of correspondence.

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Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR LEGISLATION PROVIDING HUMANE METHODS OF SLAUGHTER
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LIB

James Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

May I ask a further supplementary question. Did the minister on either of these two occasions suggest to him that it was the federal government and not the provincial government which had jurisdiction in this field.

Topic:   LIVESTOCK
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR LEGISLATION PROVIDING HUMANE METHODS OF SLAUGHTER
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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

From my recollection of the conversation-and I do not know, Mr. Speaker, that I am bound to report conversations that I had as a private individual-I can say that I indicated that this is another

of those cases in which there is a measure of divided responsibility, which makes the subject a more difficult one to deal with. But that is not to say it is incapable of solution and, as I said a moment ago, I expect to be able to make a specific recommendation to my colleagues in the very near future.

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Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR LEGISLATION PROVIDING HUMANE METHODS OF SLAUGHTER
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FINANCE

INQUIRY AS TO POSSIBILITY OF ISSUING BILINGUAL GOVERNMENT CHEQUES


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Wilfrid Lacroix

Liberal

Mr. Wilfrid LaCroix (Quebec-Monimorency):

Mr. Speaker, may I direct a question to the Minister of Finance. My question is, could the Minister of Finance, according to existing laws, give instructions for the issuing of bilingual cheques by his department everywhere in Canada?

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO POSSIBILITY OF ISSUING BILINGUAL GOVERNMENT CHEQUES
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Donald M. Fleming (Minisier of Finance):

Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for having given me notice of his question. The answer to the question would depend upon the interpretation of the statutes and, as I understand the practice of this house, questions involving the giving of a legal opinion are not asked or answered in the house.

Topic:   FINANCE
Subtopic:   INQUIRY AS TO POSSIBILITY OF ISSUING BILINGUAL GOVERNMENT CHEQUES
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PENSIONS

REQUEST FOR INCREASE IN PENSIONS OF SUPERANNUATED FEDERAL CIVIL SERVANTS


On the orders of the day:


SC

Frank Claus Christian

Social Credit

Mr. F. C. Christian (Okanagan Boundary):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to direct a question to the Minister of Finance. I believe he has received notice of my intention to ask it. Has any consideration been given by the government to increasing or restoring the purchasing power of the superannuation allowances granted to civil servants who have been retired on account of ill health? If so, what consideration has been given to this matter?

Topic:   PENSIONS
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR INCREASE IN PENSIONS OF SUPERANNUATED FEDERAL CIVIL SERVANTS
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Hon. Donald M. Fleming (Minister of Finance):

I thank the hon. member for having given me notice of this question. I draw his attention to the fact that this matter, or the broader matter of all pensions paid to superannuated civil servants, has been the subject of a number of questions which have been asked during this session and answered by the Prime Minister. There is nothing that can now be added to the information which the Prime Minister has given to the house.

Topic:   PENSIONS
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR INCREASE IN PENSIONS OF SUPERANNUATED FEDERAL CIVIL SERVANTS
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Has the minister yet read the representations with regard to this matter submitted to him by the civil service association of Ottawa?

Topic:   PENSIONS
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR INCREASE IN PENSIONS OF SUPERANNUATED FEDERAL CIVIL SERVANTS
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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

The minister has read a vast quantity of material, and this, together with other information, is being digested and reviewed.

Topic:   PENSIONS
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR INCREASE IN PENSIONS OF SUPERANNUATED FEDERAL CIVIL SERVANTS
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LIB

Daniel (Dan) McIvor

Liberal

Mr. Daniel Mclvor (Fort William):

A supplementary question. Will the minister remember that we will have a resolution on this matter before the house next Monday, when the whole question may be fully discussed?

Topic:   PENSIONS
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR INCREASE IN PENSIONS OF SUPERANNUATED FEDERAL CIVIL SERVANTS
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December 10, 1957