April 6, 1957

PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Mr. Chairman, there are just two clauses in this bill, which provides for turning over certain equipment presently owned by the federal government to the provincial government. I wonder if the minister would tell us just what equipment is being turned over to the province of Alberta and what its value is?

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

Mr. Chairman, a description of the equipment can be found on the last page of the annual report of the Eastern Rocky Mountain forest conservation board for the fiscal year 1955-56. It includes cars, trucks and trailers, tractors and heavy equipment, radio equipment, office furniture and equipment, and various other items of movable equipment, the total cost of which as on March 31, 1956 was $605,747. The depreciated cost at the same date was $218,939. It is clear that at the end of the agreement-in 1973, I believe-all this equipment will have been completely

depreciated for a long time.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

I wonder if the minister could tell us whether there is any agreement, written or otherwise, on the part of the provincial government that this equipment will be used solely for the purpose of maintaining the roads and for other work in the Eastern Forest conservation project. In other words, I take it that the general purpose of turning this equipment over to the province is because the agreement between the province and the dominion is to come to

an end; the dominion is not putting up any further funds to provide new capital work there, and I would think the main consideration in turning over this equipment is that it should be used to maintain the roads which have been built, and to carry on any other work necessary to prevent forest fires in that area.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

I am sorry, but I must point out that the agreement is not terminated; the agreement is still in force. The bill before the committee has the effect of amending the agreement and, of course, this is the property of the board to be used for the board's purposes. There is a federal member on the board-General Kennedy- who is still the chairman of the board.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. Johnston (Bow River):

I was about to ask the minister whether this has been agreed to by the province and whether they are satisfied with the terms of the agreement.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

I do not have the date, but the agreement has been signed by the Hon. Norman Willmore, minister of lands and forests in the provincial government, and by myself.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. Johnston (Bow River):

I take it, then, that the provincial government is quite satisfied with the terms and arrangements under which this agreement has been made? Surely the machinery which has been turned over to the provincial government at a depreciated value in accordance with the terms of agreement of both parties-and I am not objecting to that at all-should be at the disposal of the government of Alberta for use in the way it thinks best for the carrying out of this type of work. I think the federal government should recognize this, and leave it to the good judgment of the province to use the machinery in their custody in the way they think fit.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

The property and equipment will be turned over to the provincial government in 1973, and by that time this equipment will be completely depreciated.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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LIB

John Whitney Pickersgill (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

An Indian gift.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

The point I was getting at is this: until 1973 the equipment will be used for maintaining the roads and for general conservation work in that area?

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

It is the property of the board.

Topic:   EASTERN ROCKY MOUNTAIN FOREST CONSERVATION ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING METHOD OF AUDITING EXPENDITURES, ETC.
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Clause agreed to. Clause 2 agreed to. Schedule agreed to. Title agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time and passed.


EXCHEQUER COURT ACT

AMENDMENT RESPECTING PLACE OF RESIDENCE AND SALARY OF REGISTRAR CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENT

LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources) moved

the second reading of and concurrence in an amendment made by the Senate to Bill No. 160, to amend the Exchequer Court Act.

Topic:   EXCHEQUER COURT ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT RESPECTING PLACE OF RESIDENCE AND SALARY OF REGISTRAR CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENT
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Motion agreed to, amendment read the second time and concurred in.


TERRITORIAL LANDS ACT

AMENDMENT SUBSTITUTING JUDGE FOR STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATE

LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources) moved

the second reading of Bill No. 209, an act to amend the Territorial Lands Act.

Topic:   TERRITORIAL LANDS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT SUBSTITUTING JUDGE FOR STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATE
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

I wonder if the minister would say something in connection with this bill?

Topic:   TERRITORIAL LANDS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT SUBSTITUTING JUDGE FOR STIPENDIARY MAGISTRATE
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April 6, 1957