April 5, 1957

LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

The question is the following: Mr. Henderson, seconded by Mr. Weir, moved that Bill No. 332 entitled "an

act for the relief of Georges-Etienne Cartier" be now read the second time. Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Nicholson moved in amendment thereto that Bill No. 332 be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence. The question is on the amendment to the main motion. Those in favour of the amendment to the main motion will kindly say yea.

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Some hon. Members:

Yea.

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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Those opposed to the amendment to the main motion will kindly say nay.

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Some hon. Members:

Nay.

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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

In my opinion the nays have it. I declare the amendment lost. Shall the main motion carry?

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

On division.

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William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Main motion carried on division.

Motion agreed to on division, bill read the second time and referred to the standing committee on miscellaneous private bills.

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SECOND READING

SENATE BILL


Bill No. 404, for the relief of Samuel Jack Goldberg.-Mr. Henderson.


JACK CRYSTAL

LIB

William James Henderson

Liberal

Mr. W. J. Henderson (Kingston) moved

the second reading of Bill No. 405, for the relief of Jack Crystal, otherwise known as John Anthony Connor.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

I believe this is a contested case. Will the sponsor of the bill assure us that it will be heard in the committee?

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LIB

William James Henderson

Liberal

Mr. Henderson:

Mr. Speaker, in reply to

the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre, I might say that, complying with the request of the respondent's counsel, Messrs. Greenberg and Wright, wrote a letter dated April 3, 1957, to Mr. Arsenault, chief of the committees branch, stating that in effect she wished to oppose this bill before the committee, and I quote from the letter:

The purpose of this letter is to advise you that the respondent, Mrs. Crystal, requests an opportunity to indicate her reasons for opposition, to the miscellaneous private bills committee of the House of Commons.

Her counsel goes farther and says:

She does not particularly enjoy this description and wishes merely to have the right to appear before the appropriate committee of the House of Commons so that the committee may hear her evidence and so that the committee may see and hear the witnesses who alleged that she had committed adultery.

Private Bills

These are two extracts from the letter from her counsel addressed to Mr. Arsenault. In all fairness to both the petitioner and the respondent, and particularly since she has made the request to have her petition heard before the committee, I would think that the best thing we could do would be to refer it to the committee.

With respect to the undertaking which my hon. friend has asked me to make, I might say that if the bill receives second reading, I have requested, through Mr. Arsenault, the calling of witnesses for Monday, if this committee sits on Monday, in order that the petition might be heard and disposed of as the committee sees fit.

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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and referred to the standing committee on miscellaneous private bills.


TRANS MOUNTAIN OIL PIPE LINE COMPANY


The house resumed, from Friday, March 29, consideration in committee of Bill No. 15, respecting Trans Mountain Oil Pipe Line Company-Mr. Fairey-Mr. Robinson (Sim-coe East) in the chair.


CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Mr. Chairman, when this bill was being considered by the committee on railways, canals and telegraph lines, quite a bit was said about the desire for good public relations. It is our view that the relations between the promoters of this bill and the House of Commons would have been much better if the witnesses had been more forthright in the answers they gave to questions and if they had been better supplied with the information members had a right to seek. I find, for example, on page 63 of the minutes of proceedings and evidence of the committee that Mr. Morrison was asked by the member for Nanaimo as to what was said in the notice to the shareholders concerning the proposal that there be the stock split which is the subject of this bill. Mr. Morrison's reply on page 63 reads as follows:

If we had known that question was going to arise, we could have brought the notice.

The next entry on that page is attributed to Mr. McQuarrie, who was also before the committee. This is what Mr. McQuarrie said:

I wish we had brought the notice. A letter went out to each shareholder, along with the notice. I have not got a copy of that letter with me.

We think it most unfortunate that that letter or notice to the shareholders was not brought to the committee by the witnesses. We think it is particularly unfortunate, in view of other questions which were asked in the committee concerning the number of shares owned by the directors of the company.

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I am turning back now to pages 54 and 55 where questions were asked by the hon. member for Bow River, the hon. member for Mackenzie and others, as to the number of shares held by individuals. Mr. Morrison, the president of the company, seemed to be terribly lacking in information as to how many shares the various directors held. He knew that each one had two shares because he had to have two shares in order to be a director, but he did not know anything more than that. However, McQuarrie-

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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

It being six o'clock, shall I rise, report progress and request leave to sit again?

Progress reported.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

April 5, 1957