March 15, 1957

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Some hon. Members:

Agreed.

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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Lester Bowles Pearson (Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Pearson:

Mr. Speaker, I have been asked-

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Gordon Minto Churchill

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, there is not unanimous consent.

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Andrew Wesley Stuart

Liberal

Mr. Stuart (Charlotte):

Do you want to hear the answers? Are you afraid of them?

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Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

Afraid again; always afraid.

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Lewis Elston Cardiff (Chief Government Whip; Whip of the Progressive Conservative Party)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Cardiff:

Don't get too cocky.

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William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

If there is not

unanimous consent I cannot grant the floor to the minister.

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André Gauthier

Liberal

Mr. Gauthier (Porlneuf):

They do not

want the answers.

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Wallace Bickford (Wally) Nesbitt

Progressive Conservative

Mr. W. B. Nesbitt (Oxford):

Mr. Speaker, it appears that some wrath has been engendered on the other side of the house because the sacred cow has been kicked, and I mean by that the Department of External Affairs.

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An hon. Member:

That must be the answer.

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Wallace Bickford (Wally) Nesbitt

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nesbitt:

I have no doubt that because of what has taken place there will be numerous interruptions by hon. members opposite, and I should like to tell my hon. friends that they cannot shout me down and I will talk for the entire balance of the time if that is their wish.

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Hédard-J. Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. Robichaud:

You are afraid of an

answer; you do not want an answer.

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An hon. Member:

This is the proof of fear.

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Wallace Bickford (Wally) Nesbitt

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nesbitt:

It seems that the Secretary of State for External Affairs and his seatmate the Minister of National Health and Welfare, together with their cohorts on the government side of the house, have been severely disturbed because the hon. members

External Affairs

in the official opposition have dared to criticize the activities of the Department of External Affairs.

We all know, Mr. Speaker, that hindsight is much easier and very often better than foresight. Of course we know this to be true; but on the other hand the suggestion that it is a kind of lese majesty to even think of criticizing the Department of External Affairs is not in keeping with the parliamentary system of a democracy. I realize that because of the great length of time the present government have been in power they have developed this attitude that no one should criticize them, that they are always right and everyone else is always wrong. Surely, as has already been stated by the hon. member for Vancouver-Quadra and others, it is the right of the official opposition and other opposition parties to criticize the government if they have made errors, and it is our right even to criticize the Department of External Affairs without having it implied by the Secretary of State for External Affairs and more strongly by the Minister of National Health and Welfare that one is disloyal if he does such a thing.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a

question of privilege. No one has suggested in this debate today-

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John Whitney Pickersgill (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)

Liberal

Mr. Pickersgill:

Or at any time.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

-or at any time that it was not open to any hon. member to criticize the government on any question. The only suggestion I made today was that in the matter of foreign affairs, and particularly on a question so delicate as this, it was not in keeping with parliamentary tradition to put important questions concerning foreign policy without giving notice. There was no suggestion that there should not be the fullest debate. The Secretary of State for External Affairs is now trying to engage in a full debate, and the hon. gentleman opposite obstructs.

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Gordon Minto Churchill

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Churchill:

You are making another speech.

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Hédard-J. Robichaud

Liberal

Mr. Robichaud:

You are afraid to hear the answers.

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March 15, 1957