May 30, 1956

CCF

Robert Ross (Roy) Knight

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. R. R. Knight (Saskatoon):

Mr. Speaker, in view of the dispatch quoted yesterday by the Minister of Trade and Commerce to the effect that Trans-Canada has placed orders in Britain for $32 million of pipe, if this is true does that mean it is Trans-Canada which is now assured of building the pipe line across the northern Ontario section?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Right Hon. C. D. Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

No, Mr. Speaker. Trans-Canada Pipe Lines did place the order. They were advised that if they did not do so the position would be taken by another buyer. I have been anxious and I think all hon. members have been anxious that any pipe we had to buy outside of Canada would be bought in Britain and therefore I suggested to Trans-Canada that it place the order, which it has done with the understanding that if it is not in a position to build the line the government will take over the pipe. That is clearly understood. As a matter of fact, under the terms of the agreement the government will take over Trans-Canada.

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PC

Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. H. O. While (Middlesex East):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Trade and Commerce somewhat along the same line as the question asked by the hon. member for Saskatoon. Would the government consider delaying the construction of the trans-Canada pipe line until pipe made in Canada by Canadian labour is available early in 1957?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe (Pori Arthur):

Mr. Speaker, the pipe that will be made in Canada is not pipe that can be used for the western section of the line in any event and the reason is that the widest steel plate that is rolled in Canada is steel plate that would be suitable

for 30-inch pipe. I sincerely hope that the 30-inch pipe from the projected mill in Welland will be available early in 1957 and I can assure the hon. member that every pound of pipe that can be turned out within Canada will be purchased and used in the trans-Canada project.

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PC

Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. White (Middlesex East):

I have a supplementary question, Mr. Speaker. Did I understand the minister to say that Welland Tubes were not able to produce the type of pipe which is required by Trans-Canada for the western section?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe (Port Arthur):

Whether or not it will be able to roll 36-inch pipe remains a question. I have had two contrary sources of information. I notice that the paper this morning said Welland will be able to roll 36-inch pipe. My point is that no steel mill in Canada can turn out plate of width sufficient to be rolled into pipe larger than 30 inches in diameter. The width of plate required for 34-inch diameter pipe is 110 inches and that width of plate is not rolled in Canada. As I said the other day, my information is that it is rolled in only three mills in the United States, one in England and one in Germany.

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PC

Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. White (Middlesex East):

Mr. Speaker, I have a telegram in my hand from Welland Tubes Limited saying that they can roll it.

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LIB

James Joseph McCann (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. McCann:

Yes, but what about making the plate?

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TRANS-CANADA PIPE LINES REASON FOR USE OF


34-inch pipe On the orders of the day:


PC

William McLean Hamilton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. W. M. Hamilton (Notre Damede Grace):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Trade and Commerce. In view of the fact the latest available figures show that only 227 miles of gas pipe line in the United States are over 30 inches in diameter out of a total of some 100,000 miles, will the minister tell the house why it is important that this pipe line in question be of such an excessive size?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Right Hon. C. D. Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, the fact of the matter is that 34-inch pipe has been purchased and is being rolled in two pipe mills in the United States in sufficient quantities to build the entire line from Alberta to the vicinity of Winnipeg. The pipe is on order and has been on order for some time and the orders are being implemented. The reason 34-inch pipe is specified is that the volume of gas that can be put through a 34-inch pipe 67509-283i

Inquiries of the Ministry is the volume of gas which we believe should be made available at Winnipeg when the line is built.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

INQUIRY AS TO FURTHER INTERIM SUPPLY


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, may I direct a question to the Minister of Finance. In view of tho action that has been taken in the other place ostensibly to make it possible to get interim supply through in one day, can the minister now say when he intends to move for interim supply?

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Finance and Receiver General; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. W. E. Harris (Minister of Finance):

cannot, Mr. Speaker, but as is customary I shall consult with the opposition groups before making the proposal.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

May I direct a supplementary question to the Prime Minister? Can he say whether there was any consultation between the government leader in the Senate and any other cabinet minister before the motion was made to suspend the rules in the other place?

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LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. S. St. Laurent (Prime Minister):

Not to my knowledge, Mr. Speaker.

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On the orders of the day:


May 30, 1956